North Allegheny Reviews Possible Solutions To Budget Deficit

MCCANDLESS (KDKA) — More than 150 people packed a North Allegheny School Board meeting.

The board outlined possible scenarios as they face a nearly $8 million projected budget deficit.

The legal max for raising taxes is .84 mills which would bump North Allegheny’s rate to 20.58 mills – about $168 increase a year on a $200,000 home.

Other options on the table include a hiring freeze, cuts in athletics, technology and arts programs.

“These are not recommendations,” North Allegheny Supt. Patricia Green said. “They are options for review. These are some of them. These are not all of them, but we have to do our due diligence as administrators.”

Officials say a tax hike would help to shorten the budget gap, but it wouldn’t solve all of their problems.

A final vote comes in June.

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One Comment

  1. new print head says:

    Good step taken by Officials to solve the problem of budget deficit.I think cuts in athletics, technology and arts programs may solve the problem a bit.Let see what happens in june.Hope for the best.

    1. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

      Technology cuts is a MUST. They spent $$$$$$$$$$$$ on iPods, iPads, Windows 7, several routers, a lot of useless apps, $500 netbooks, Macs incompatible to NA’s windows system, and other useless junk. It costs $10,000 for an iPod cart, x 6 = $60,000!!! That is a teacher that they could’ve kept!! If they didn’t buy the iPod carts ALONE, my GOAL teacher wouldn’t have to find a new job!!

  2. Dr. Heffner says:

    cut the teachers salaries and pensions. This would be a good way to reduce the deficit without burdening the taxpayers anymore.

    1. sarah s says:

      Cut the teacher’s $50,000 average salary. Pay them lower than a truck driver? Who is going to train the children to pay your social security, Doctor????? Some people…..

  3. Disgusted Parent says:

    Yea let’s take away from the kids and ignore the greed of the teachers. Why is everyone so afraid to speak out against the teachers, most of whom couldn’t care less about our children. They are there to collect a paycheck and one of their favorite sayings is, ‘this would be a great job if we didn’t have to put up with these kids.’ Wake up and smell the coffee!

    1. Disgusted Teacher says:

      Actually, the saying goes, “This would be a great job if we didn’t have to put up with ignorant parents who think that teachers don’t care about their kids.” Why don’t all of you complainers write to your state senators and representatives to stop these proposed education cuts? Try becoming informed and turning your negativity into positive action instead of making uninformed statements that do nothing more than show your ignorance.

      1. Zoeyzotron says:

        …TEACHER – I am incredibly informed on this subject and believe me; you as a teacher have VERY LITTLE to complain about. Your compensation (wage+benefits) in PA, is amazing… however unsustainable. Your PENSION via PSERS is also AMAZING, yet also unsustainable… Easily worth millions, yet you will contribute less than 200K…. 190 day work years, sick days, personnel days, 7.5 hour work days…., do you want me to go on?

        STOP ASKING THE TAX PAYERS FOR BAILOUTS… We DO NOT HAVE IT ANYMORE… Welcome to the recession… PS, it started 2 years ago…

      2. db says:

        Why do private and catholic schools do better with lower pay. Because they care you idiot. I taught in the public schools and I left because I don’t do politics well. You teachers have it made. I didn’t know jobs were guranteed. Ask any teacher why they feel they deserve free health care. They can’t answer the question.

      3. Zoey knows it all says:

        Zoeyzotron has an answer for everything.

        I agree with you Teacher!

    2. just a thought... says:

      You think all teachers are uncaring? Do you realize how angry we get when we hear comments that we are just “glorified baby-sitters”? Do you think your child learned how to read, learned math, learned history, etc. by himself or herself? As a parent, you likely didn’t teach your child everything he or she knows, or you wouldn’t send your child to ANY school.

      You think we just work 180 days a year? Do you know how many teachers spend their evenings and weekends preparing lessons and grading papers? We cram in 12 months of work in 9 months. In fact, there are plenty of teachers who take time over the summer to prepare for the following school year, so just because it is summer, it doesn’t mean we stop working.

      Oh, and FYI, studies show that the average person is sick at least 8 days a year. Considering that we work during cold and flu season, and we work with a population that generally does not wash their hands no matter how many times they are told, we can get sick just like anyone else. Why should we not get sick days?

      Furthermore, if you are upset about our pensions, take a look at the state police or any other state employee. There pensions are just as good. You might say that they work more days, but the 187-190 teachers are required to work are in a school year. A school year is considered July 1 – June 30. In a real year (Jan.1-Dec. 31), we work more than that plus hours in the evening, on weekends, and in the summer, and that would include time off at the holidays, which people in other professions also take off and get paid for. If we didn’t get that time off, parents would complain that they couldn’t take their kids on vacation.

      Please understand that I get parental/taxpayer concerns, but we are taxpayers, too. We are just as concerned about the economy as you are. You can’t blame teachers for not wanting to take a pay freeze. Would you want to if your job asked you? Would you worry about how that would effect your retirement and your family expenses for the next year and in the future? It’s not greed. It’s human nature. In any job, you likely work hard; it’s how you keep it. You would second guess taking a pay freeze, too. I don’t know ANYONE who would willing take a pay freeze when prices on gas and groceries continue to rise.

      1. db says:

        Who ever this is I am repling to, I was raised on a farm for 35 of my 47 years. YOU have no clue what work is about. Cows did not take 3 months off out of the year. Try working an 12 to 16 hour day 7 days a week. Again , I will ask you the question. Why do you feel the tax payers should give you free health care. If you had any street smarts, you would shut your mouth and do your job. Typical yuppie that had mom and dad give you everything you have.

      2. Just a thought... says:

        Actually, my parents didn’t give me anything. I do know about hard work. I worked my way through college and a master’s degree. My parents didn’t pay for any of it. The debt that I incurred from going to school is a debt I am repaying – not my parents. I made that choice, and I am happy to pay it back. However, to pay that debt back, I have to have a job. The proposed cuts in education may cause me to lose the job I love and the job for which I went to school for. While I have no idea what it was like to be raised on a farm, I do know about hard work. I like how you ASSUME I don’t know about hard work because I don’t work 7 days a week for 12-16 hours a day, but get a clue: Neither do most people. There are plenty of people in this world who work 5 days a week, 8 hours a days. In fact, I would think that most people have that type of schedule. For the record, I am not a teacher who takes off 3 months. While I would agree that there are teachers who leave in June and do not think about school until August, I am not. I give myself a week off and then spend time planning and preparing for the following school year. It may not be every day of the summer, but I do take the time. Please do not make a generalization or assumption about me (particularly that I had a yuppie life growing up). If you want to respond to the points I brought up, you are entitled. Also, I didn’t mention healthcare in my previous post, and I have never asked for free healthcare. In fact, I don’t get free healthcare. I pay out of my paycheck every month, and there a lot of other districts that do the same. It is based on the district, but more and more districts are requiring us to pay a monthly amount just like most people in other professions. That amount varies district to district based on the healthcare plan the district has adopted.

        And, again, for the record, I do my job. You don’t know me. You don’t know what I teach, so do not tell me to shut my mouth. I thank you for working hard as you are correct that farming is extremely hard work. It was not the life I choose or was brought up in, but I don’t discredit you for the hard work you do every day. Please don’t discredit me for the hard work I do each day with my students. Teaching is a challenge that you have to be a part of to truly understand. I accept and enjoy that challenge because I made that choice.

      3. Sammy says:

        Dear Lovely, Charming, kind-hearted people,

        Why don’t ypu ask your legislators why they are npt focusing on CREATING JOBS instead of beating the heck out of the cornerstone of your community — your teachers. You people are being led by the nose by the media in an effort to distract you from the truth– and congress- in an effort to get elected–JOB CREATION!!!! who cares if we pay our teachers $65,000 or not– They have to put up with YOUR kids for 180 days. That’s worth $200,000– look at some of you!!!

    3. I Care says:

      Would you please read my post below. I really don’t like in service days because I can’t teach on those days. I have the greatest kids! I love them dearly…really I do.

    4. bobby says:

      THE GREED OF TEACHERS?????? shareholders. anyone??? Wall street\, anyone???? Ceo salaries, anyone???? So, according to you… we pay our current new teachers a WHOPPING $40,000. Maybe we should pay them $30,000. Who is going to do this job– so that students are capable of paying YOUR social security and welfare check???


  4. Gary says:

    I agree with the previous post. Why do teachers get a $40,000 jump in pay their 15 th yearDo they suddenly do something miraculous to warrant this unbelievable hike? They then keep this bonus thereafter. Not counting the outrageous pension plan when they retire! Where is their pain in this? Not even a freeze in pay? It makes me sick that even the lousy teachers just go along for the ride….

    1. Disgusted Teacher says:

      $40,000 after 15 years! Wow! I want to work in THAT school district! Another brilliant uninformed comment.

      1. Zoeyzotron says:

        Ahhh TEACHER – this is public information… maybe you are uninformed… See below website, pull up your contract if you wish…

        NA 2010 contract – year 14 $59,936, year 15 $98,173. that is an increase of $38,237.

        Something has to give, the money train is empty… Wake up and join reality…

      2. JACK says:


    2. Jenny says:

      They get a jump in pay, silly boy, because they have spent years and years and years being paid a pittance. It also saves the district a ton of money to do it this way– and teachers are just gullible enough to have accepted this for years. IO wonder what lawyer or doctor — or business man might agree to this……. not.

  5. Zoeyzotron says:

    Again, no talk of teacher feeling any pain in this recession…

    Disgusted Parent – check out this website, i think you will find it interesting the benefits and compensation that your NA teachers get…

    1. I Care says:

      Would you please read my post below. I really don’t like in service days because I can’t teach on those days. I have the greatest kids! I love them dearly…really I do.

  6. Teacher Who Cares says:

    Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

    I find it comical how little some members of the community know about the educational process itself. Try enriching yourself and reading up a little bit.

    Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – baby sit!

    We can get that for less than minimum wage.

    That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).

    Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.

    However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

    LET’S SEE….

    That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

    What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? (Which would be almost all at NA) Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

    Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is!

    The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000.

    $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student– a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

    Oh, sorry to burst your bubble Zoey. Tell me a career or an occupation that has the same dramatic impact on society as a teacher. If You think the career is so great and glamorous? Then go to college, pay $250,000 in tuition for the degree. Take all the certification test. Wait, the law requires continuing education. Tack on that Masters Degree + $40,000. And guess what, you did not even step into the classroom yet.

    Oh and did I forget to mention that NA was rated by the Pittsburgh Business Times the #2 school statewide out of 504 public schools?

    And sorry DB, but private schools do not out perform public schools.

    Like the other teacher said. Take time and write your legislators. While your at it, do some investigating and bring some real facts to the table and not this stereotypical uniformed garbage.

    1. Zoeyzotron says:

      TEACHER – Your Rambling completely misses the point… My facts are just that, they are from your GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.. Did you bother to look at it?

      Your selfishness is what is bothersome, while you have had a well paid, artificially protected job over the past 2 years, 15 million American’s lost their jobs… Countless others have taken pay cuts, lost benefits, and have taken lesser jobs. So next time you spout off, remember it is us the Taxpayers that are paying your SALARY+BENEFITS+PENSIONS. Funny you do not mention the cheap HC, and absolutely unsustainable PSERS PENSION. You EXPECT us the taxpayer, to pay for your HC (50 or 100 $ a month is dirt cheap by the way…) and your pension, which have been done away with in most other non government industries… Do you know why? Because they are unsustainable… WAKE UP. If you want, I will explain how your pension works in detail in another post, it’s an amazing deal.

      Also, I never posted that teachers “don’t care”, although I think tenure is also part of the union downfall in the public’s eyes. I am a strong advocate of making the most of your education, and contributing positively to society. Make no mistake; my distain is not towards education, rather its unsustainable financing. Teaching is important, but I would argue that without any of the core sociatial industries you will look like Bangladesh. Law, Sanitation, Military, Finance (those bad rich people… that manage your pension fund on Wall Street…just so you know), Farmers, Construction,etc…

      As for working hard… or extra hours…. SAVE IT! We all (most do) and we do it all year long. NEWSFLASH… working until 6 or 7pm or logging on at home after the kids go to bed is common. Are you really this out of touch?

      I went to college, earned my degree, and my mba, if you must know. I paid for it and I also did not choose to be a teacher, I had zero interest in working in a union environment. I have no issue with my job, I love my job. I have an issue paying for yours. Also, you can save your “paying for your masters” talk. Most districts reimburse for that or at least partially.

      Honestly, I just hope you do not teach Finance, because you know nothing about it. Not to even acknowledge your numerics, but you would be out of business because in a capitalistic market, competition would come in, offer an optional product for less price. That’s how the real world works, not your union fantasy land…

      1. jeeperz says:

        So you believe everything thats posted on the internet? Please do us all a favor and lose the holier than thou attitude that spews from each of your posts on here. Theres no place for it.

        You lump so many teachers into one category its rediculous. Just remember if teaching was such a cake job with…everyone would want to do it.

      2. fyi says:

        FYI… NA doesn’t provide tuition reimbursement

      3. Zoeywannabe says:


    2. db says:

      Private and Catholic schools do out perform public schools check out the statistics. Why can’t you live a life style based off your salary. I don’t care how much your education cost. Get a part time job if you live the yuppie life style.

      1. Budget concerns says:

        You really have a thing against “yuppies”….I’m not a teacher, but a concerned parent. There are many teachers that I know that do work part-time jobs in the summer, or they spend the time with their children to curb childcare costs. I don’t think teachers are living outside of their lifestyles. As a parent, I don’t know that we should attack teachers but rather the proposed budget cuts. While I think there should be cuts made to education given the current economy, $1.2 billion seems a little steep. I think there might be ways to not make such a drastic cut to education in order to keep programs in place for the kids, including athletics, tutoring, field trips, and other extra curriculars. With the cuts, there are going to be a lot of teachers who lose their jobs, which just adds to the unemployment rate, and there are going to be deep cuts made to the quality of education our kids will receive.

    3. NA-Dad says:

      Private schools do not outperform public schools? I think you meant to say “private schools do not *always* outperform public schools.”

      I can readily find four or five private schools in Pittsburgh that crush North Allegheny in all measurables aside from athletics. Indeed, I (myself an NA graduate) drive my kids from Franklin Park to one such school every morning. Why? Because the principal of our local NA elementary school candidly admitted that they didn’t have the resources to address my own kids’ needs. I wasn’t surprised — I watched dozens of talented kids get “lost” at NA during my own dozen or so years there.

      If you’re skeptical, schedule a tour over at Sewickley Academy, or Shadyside Academy, or Ellis, or Winchester Thurston. Spend some time there. Listen to the kids. Listen to the teachers. Look at their SAT scores. Their college lists. Then do the same over at NA. You’ll see the difference within minutes. It’s profound.

  7. I Care says:

    I don’t normally post anything like this, but to say that NA’ s teachers don’t care about children I think is a bit unfair. As an NA teacher I am not opposed to a pay freeze at all and I am not in the 100,000 range. Unfortunately there are some teachers in every district that are in at 7:30 and out at 3:00, but there are quite a few that are not. I work all summer planning for my program to be sure I can deliver quality to my students. Again, it is unfortunate that teachers can’t speak out individually, but I would be first in line to take a pay freeze if it meant keeping the proposed cuts. I care very deeply for the education of our young people, like some of you if I have a bad day a work or a day that I feel I did not do my best, I take it home with me, I try very hard to look inward and ask myself what could I do better. I understand the budget and tax frustration and a teacher pay freeze is a GOOD option I think. Certainly a lot better than cutting educational programs that mean so much to our community. Please do’t generalize and say that teachers don’t care about their students…I do

    1. Zoeyzotron says:

      I CARE – Clearly you are a teacher that understands the world outside the union umbrella. Sadly I believe that you are in the minority among your colleges.

      I would argue that you can keep the 100K salaries, but it is the pensions that will have to be reformed (or the fund will collapse). 401k or 403b’s are on the horizon for new and newer teachers. Their not that bad, they are just not as amazing as the PSERS Pension, but you’re 403 B will actually be there in 20 years…..

      1. i Care says:

        I certainly cannot argue with you about that. Believe me I understand everything you are saying and agree with most of it! You are also correct about the union. I don’t eve go to union meetings…AGH, that is not why I became a teacher.

        Just please know that there are a lot of teachers like me, more than you know!

      2. Zoeyzotron says:

        I CARE – Thank you for your service to our children and understanding of the current economic condition. It is teachers like you that really do make a difference!

        Another thought I can not get out of my head…. Why do we not teach basic personal finance in HS? Nothing complicated, just the basics, understanding credit cards and the dangers, compounding interest, balancing a check book, simple retirement investing. These core topics are the basis of our countries financial woes… teach them about finanace before we go to college…. and get a credit card… or a hopuse we can not afford.

        just a thought

      3. NA Parent of 3 says:

        Personal finance should certainly be taught in schools–but the primary teacher of that remains the parents! If the parents set a lifetime’s example of spending beyond their means, a few months of classroom education may not be enough to counteract that example.

      4. I Care says:

        Thank you for understanding that all teachers are not union fanatics! Although not my area of expertise, I agree whole heartedly with teaching personal finance.

        I would do anything besides taking away the proposed cuts…cutting those programs (music, GOAL, special ed. etc) will only hurt our kids and our district. There is a better way, much of which has been talked about here.

        Again, thank you from not putting me into a group that I do not belong in. Thanks!

      5. Sammy says:

        99% of teachers, Mr. Grumpy, are outside the union umbrella. The union protects teachers from 1. angry, sue-oriented parents– when their kids don’t pass, 2).congress with their eternal changes to save the world (an d consequently get elected….), and 3. short-lived administration who have to survive the politics of school boards and people like you. Teachers just do their jobs and try to survive.

  8. NA Senior says:

    Look, I’m a high school senior at North Allegheny and to be honest, some of the teachers at North Allegheny can be pretty lousy, trust me. But the number of lousy teachers at NA compared to the amount of amazing teachers is so small that it is statistically insignificant. If I didn’t have some of the amazing teachers that I have had, then I know that I wouldn’t have been able to have gotten such a great education. We can’t blame teachers for the financial problems NA is having because they are helping us students to succeed in the near future.
    The problem is that the NA school board is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They do not want to sacrifice anything that gives the students, such as myself, many opportunities, but they do not want to make all of the area’s taxpayers have to spend all of their money to pay for the school district’s debts.
    The teachers and many of the programs the school has are not what is causing this problem, it is irresponsible spending on ridiculous things such as laptops that never work, two flat screen TVs in the Intermediate and Senior High school, etc. Not only that, but the board looks over so many ways to easily make money. The library basically hauls out books that no one reads anymore and throws them away. If they held a book drive every year, they could easily raise a couple hundred dollars. I know that is nothing compared to the deficit, but the smallest amount can help, right?
    So please, do not blame the teachers for the problem NA is currently going through, for they are not the ones to blame. We need to come up with ideas for the school board to raise money so our families and I, the typical student, don’t have to suffer, but also so the teachers and their families don’t have to suffer either.

    1. I Care says:

      Thank you…NA Senior! I do love my job for what it is teaching! Seeing young people achieve at levels they never could have imagined.

    2. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

      I think everyone should have to tighten their belts a little bit, but by law, both GOAL teachers at each school need to be kept. NA is writing the state so there only has to be one GOAL teacher at IMS, and this supposedly is all about a roster. I overheard that there are to be 100 + GOAL kids next year, and they want ONE GOAL TEACHER to take them all. I am glad that the teacher that is leaving might get an elementary school job because she got a degree and certified in elementary education. We need a protest and quick!!

  9. CAROL says:

    Cut the supeerintendant’s salary. You don’t want to hear that.

    1. I Care says:

      who doesn’t want to hear that? I agree

    2. Chere says:

      If we really want to cut costs, we need to MERGE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. To have 508 school districts with 508 superintendents and assistat superintendabts and all their administativ e costs is WASTEFUL. Cut here. That doesn’t hurt the kids.

  10. NA Parent of 3 says:

    Most of the adults and ALL of the students packing the meeting were there to let the board know that they did NOT want the music program to be cut in any way. Student after student took the microphone to tell the board how much the band and orchestra meant to them, and how much it helped them, both academically and in their daily lives. Parent after parent stood up to tell the board how wonderful the teachers are, and how much they value the educational and musical opportunities given students at North Allegheny.

    Let’s not forget that today’s students are tomorrow’s adults.

  11. Concerned Like Everyone says:

    It is interesting that there is a long line of people who claim the teaching profession is easy work for which teachers are overaid with undeservingly high salaries, benefits, and pensions for doing a job anyone can do.

    Yet these geniuses who come to that couldn’t conclude that if there is in fact a job out there that is that easy, that overpaying, with that much time off, and with that many fringe benefits, it’s a job they should jump all over! Why is that?

    The real question isn’t why teachers deserve free healthcare (which they don’t, and don’t receive) but why all you smart people out there were smart enough to express these opinions, but not smart enough to decide to become teachers!

  12. 8th grader at NA says:

    As an 8 th grade student, I can identify a plethora of ways that North allegheny can save money.
    First an foremost, the system of teacher’s pay is based on years alone, not on the quality of teaching. So then teachers have no incentive to teach their best.
    Another wasteful spending is the spending of unneccisary technological devices. For instance, at Marshall Middle School, 60 iPod touch 4th generations have been purchased. Also, 30 netbook laptops have been purchased.
    At Carson Middle School, the school has several electrical tools that have used once or twice, such as the various routers.
    Yet another worthless spending is that of smaller field trips, such as busing entitre grades to watch puppet shows or plays that only a handful of kids care about.
    Lastly, I think merging some of the smaller elementary schools would save a ton of money.
    If NA took some of those things into consideration, then there would be no need to cut any extracurricular activities.

    1. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

      I am in 7th and I totally agree!! I computer cart ALONE costs $10,000. $10,000?!?!?!? If NA spent less $$$ on useless technology, we could save the GOAL teachers!!

  13. NA Parent of 3 says:

    By the way, has anybody besides me noticed this? The 2011 Allegheny County Tax bill clearly states on the FRONT (towards the bottom) “Please detach here and mail entire tax bill below with your payment” with downward arrows indicating the bottom portion to be detached.

    But BACK of the bill says in large highlighted letters: DO NOT DETACH THIS STUB.

    Sheesh, no wonder we’re having problems…

  14. Tracy Miller says:

    COLLEGE TEACHER! I have been teaching for over 12 years at the college level (have even been a “teacher of the Year”). I give lots of my own time for study groups, training of ne wfaculty, orientation and graduation–no extra pay. My salary iis less than half the average NA teacher. I teach to affect lives. I teach for about 6 times less than I could generate in the private sector with my MBA froma high-end university. Hmmm? What are we learing here? Teaching is more than high pay and ridiculous pensions/benefits. Where are the good teachers in fighting against their crazy union? Come up, stand up! As a prent, I am leaning towards pulling my high scoring test-takers (98 percentile) to private venues where I know the teachers care and are not in it for the money. My taxes will go with me when I move–and I am planning to help the fight for school-choice, so we all have this option. What will NA do if they can no longer boast of high test-scores when we are all gone? Consider the options now before it is too late. Even an 8th grader can show you the way.

    1. Concerned Like Everyone says:

      I’m in law enforcement, and I come from a family of teachers. I don’t criticize teachers’ benefits and salaries out of jealousy because I knew all along what teaching entailed, and I chose to do something else.

      And for our “college professor” here, I can assure you that you’re not fooling anyone. You’re teaching at the college level with adults your employer saw fit to allow to enroll. You don’t get that with public education. How about a teaching degree or certification? I bet you don’t have that either. You stand in front of a room and TALK for an hour at a bunch of adults who had to meet admissios requirements, and then try to compare that to TEACHING children in public schools?! Get real. Who among us who went to college had our great “teachers” there?!

      And if you think that private schools are truly the better bet, then you’re a dang fool and a horrible parent for sending your children to public schools as you’ve apparently been doing all along. And if they’re truly in the 98th percentile, than I guess the public schools aren’t doing so badly by your children.

      What we’re learning is that you’re not qualified to do what the people you’re criticizing are, and so you’ve tried to twist your little situation to make it seem like you’re doing humanity some great service. What’s the average NA teacher make, $60k? So in your 12th year you’re making less than $30k?! And you’re supposedly good at it? How about if you’re good enough to teach at USC or Mt. Lebo or North All you get a job there, do what you do at the college, touch lives, volunteer, and then give all that extra money that you don’t need to your local place of worship or charity?

      Again, you’re not fooling anyone. But thank you for your “service” to your fellow man.

    2. billy says:

      You rock! Keep doing what you’re doing and God Bless you. MERGE SCHOOL DISTRICTS– THE WASTE IS IN ADMINISTRATION– EVER TAKE A LOOK AT CONGRESS???//??? cut administration.

  15. Ouch says:

    Amazing how easy it is for you educated folks get off the subject and turn the whole thing into a teacher vs taxpayer argument instead of focusing on what the story was about. I don’t live in NA but in another district going through the same kind of things except ours in a couple of million dollars less but, it is a big deficit none the less. Let me ask the simple question of how NA got 8 million in the hole in the first place? All Corbet did is return the districts to the 2008 level of state funding, the funding before the stimulus. He did not cut anything from the state subsidy. How about we also ask why that stimulus money was spent on salaries and other items when the school board knew full well the money was going to go away? Now suddenly everyone is paying attention. Where were you the past X number of years? Quit blaming Corbett and look in the mirror. I guess we are all going to find out the hard way what we really can afford huh? OK you can go back to your petty bickering now. Maybe for every post on this site KD will give you a donation to help with your deficit.

  16. Alison Fujito says:


    Some of the studies supporting the incredible benefits of music:

    Spatial-Temporal IQ — Researchers found that children given piano lessons improved much more dramatically in their spatial-temporal IQ scores (important for some types of mathematical reasoning) than children who received computer lessons or no lessons.

    Higher SAT Scores — Students with experience in music performance and music appreciation scored higher on the SAT than students with no music education: 53 points higher on the verbal and 39 points higher on the math for music performance; 61 points higher on the verbal and 42 points higher on the math for music appreciation.”

    Highest Grades — Data from the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988 showed that music participants received more academic honors and awards than non-music students, and that the percentage of music participants receiving As, As/Bs, and Bs was higher than the percentage of non- participants receiving those grades. NELS:88 First Follow-up, 1990, National Center for Education Statistics, Washington DC

    Higher Test Scores — A ten-year study indicates that students who study music achieve higher test scores, regardless of socioeconomic background. – Dr. James Catterall, UCLA.

    Higher Reading Scores — In a Scottish study, one group of elementary students received musical training, while another other group received an equal amount of discussion skills training. After six (6) months, the students in the music group achieved a significant increase in reading test scores, while the reading test scores of the discussion skills group did not change. – Sheila Douglas and Peter Willatts, Journal of Research in Reading, 1994.

    Better Behavior — In a 2000 survey, 73 percent of respondents agree that teens who play an instrument are less likely to have discipline problems. – Americans Love Making Music – And Value Music Education More Highly Than Ever, American Music Conference, 2000.

    Lowest Crime — Secondary students who participated in band or orchestra reported the lowest lifetime and current use of all substances (alcohol, tobacco, illicit drugs). Texas Commission on Drug and Alcohol Abuse Report. Reported in Houston Chronicle, January 1998

    Better Organized — Students who are rhythmically skilled also tend to better plan, sequence, and coordinate actions in their daily lives. – “Cassily Column,” TCAMS Professional Resource Center, 2000.

    Problem Solvers — Students who can perform complex rhythms can also make faster and more precise corrections in many academic and physical situations, according to the Center for Timing, Coordination, and Motor Skills. – Rhythm seen as key to music’s evolutionary role in human intellectual development, Center for Timing, Coordination, and Motor Skills, 2000.

    Less Anxiety — Music students demonstrate less test anxiety and performance anxiety than students who do not study music. – “College-Age Musicians Emotionally Healthier than Non-Musician Counterparts,” Houston Chronicle, 1998.

    Most Medical Students — Physician and biologist Lewis Thomas studied the undergraduate majors of medical school applicants. He found that 66% of music majors who applied to medical school were admitted, the highest percentage of any group. 44% of biochemistry majors were admitted. As reported in “The Case for Music in the Schools,” Phi Delta Kappan, February 1994

    1. Jimmy says:


      1. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

        I must agree, the Keystones are stupid. I go to IMS and there are, no joke, about 40 8th grade math students. And that’s 7th grade alone!! I asked them all and they said that they were the dumbest test that they have ever taken!!

    2. nO KIDDING says:


    3. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

      Of course, you’re not gonna get into Harvard, Yale, or some other Ivy League school because you got free violin lessons in 3rd grade. You’re gonna get there with a gifted education program.

      1. Alison Fujito says:

        @ A concerned IMS Goal student:

        While I certainly agree that the GOAL program–and any program that enhances academic performance–should NOT be cut, you are not doing yourself or the GOAL teachers any favors by attacking other programs.

        Getting free violin lessons in 3rd grade will not guarantee you admission to Ivy League schools–and neither will the GOAL program. But getting violin lessons–or any musical instrument lesson–IS a proven way to enhance academic abilities, every bit as much as GOAL. And instrumental music instruction should NOT be something reserved only for those who can afford private lessons, particularly when it has such a dramatic effect on academic performance.

        ALL NA students are encouraged to take part in the instrumental music programs, whether they are labeled “gifted,” “special ed,” “troublemaker,” or “normal.” ALL STUDENTS. None are turned away. They are not required to take a test to be accepted.

        The point is, there should not be ANY cuts to any programs that positively affect academic performance. But if you seem like you are trashing programs other than GOAL in your effort to save the GOAL program, your only achievement will be to anger those who benefit from those other programs. That won’t do your school any good, and it won’t do GOAL any good, either.

  17. Concerned Like Everyone says:

    Hey Zoeyzotron,

    For a “smart” guy you got a lot to learn.

    You claim to have an understanding of business and finance, yet you seem to lack an understanding of basic money flow. As a resident of the district in which I live, I pay taxes. That money pays teachers, coaches, electric bills, etc. Those people spend money in the local economy at a local business or restaurant. Those folks in turn employ workers and the flow continues. It’s humorous when I as a law enforcement official and my family members in education are told by punks like you that our salary is paid by you the taxpayer. When my wife orders a pizza, she is helping to pay the wage of the person who tossed our pie in the oven. He pays rent on his apartment. His landlord pays taxes to the school. My wife paid his salary. He paid her’s. It goes on and on and on. Though I’m assuming you live in North All and I do not, let’s pretend we live in the same district and my wife works there. Your tax dollars paid her salary. She spent money either on a good or service from your company or at a business relying on the service you provide. We pay each other’s salaries, dude. Everyone should understand that.

    How about in your next post you explain to all of us who are clearly dumber than you what pain teachers are SUPPOSED to feel during a recession. During a recession, a teacher should expect to ….. (fill in the blank for us). This way school board members never have to worry about making tough decisions when it comes to a rainy day fund, knowing teachers will always absorb the hit, and they can make political decisions to get reelected and raise your taxes for their pet projects and reasons. After reading about what teachers should do during recessions, I hope to be able to read about what cops should expect to do as well.

  18. A concerned IMS GOAL student says:

    One of my GOAL teachers might get relocated due to this!! I cried myself to sleep last night, and I don’t want the best teacher ever to leave!!! PLEASE CALL THE SCHOOL BOARD AND TELL THEM NOT TO CUT GOAL!!

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