Monroeville Restaurant’s No Kids Policy Goes Into Effect

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — The ban on children under 6-years-old at McDain’s Restaurant in Monroeville went into effect Saturday, and the owner says business is up.

Mike Vuick says Friday night was their best night ever, and Saturday night could be even better.

He says he’s gotten thousands of emails, 11 to 1 in favor of the ban, and adds that customers are coming in to show their support.

The ban has made national headlines. Vuick says he’s done 62 interviews so far and has even attracted attention from as far away as Australia.

Charlene Banish of North Braddock had never been to McDain’s before, but after hearing about the ban on the news, she wanted to check the place out.

Scott Lucas of Wilkins Township says, “It’s still America. A private business can do what they want.”

Tasha Spencer of Wilmerding, however, calls the ban “strange” and says, “We may not patronize that restaurant just because of it.”

Vuick says he started the policy because of customer complaints about loud children, and now hopes other restaurants will follow his lead.

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  • pittgirl

    I think it is a good idea, who wants to go out to dinner and hear some brat screaming and crying? I say ban them under 10! Ha!

    • Anonymous

      I say it’s about time! I have long been a believer that places should have Kids/No Kids sections just like they had smoking or non-smoking ones back in the day!!!!

    • ha

      it’s called being a responsible parent you twit. I hope one day if someone decides to have kids with you, they are the worst behaved children ever! You can not honestly sit her and tell me if this was affecting your children you wouldn’t be upset? It’s not fair to punish the kids who are raised properly and we are more well behaved then some adults because parents can’t do their job.

      • Anonymous

        There are adults that don’t act their age that kids act better then them!!!!

      • hay

        how true.. BUT now adays.. the kids are the bosses. i have seen where the three year old tells the mother I hate you.. and your not my boss.. FOR reall. if that was ME.. I would have been whipped.. get a grip on your kids and raise them.. dont let them raise you.. or they will pay in the end..

      • Kelley

        kids are not being punished here. If this upsets you, there are a 1000 other restaurants that do not have this policy, take your kids there. I have an 8 and 10 year old and twice I have gotten compliments for them being well behaved at restaurants and some times they need some discipline when we are out. This ban doesn’t upset me at all. It is his restaurant and he wants to do right by his patrons.

    • Anon

      Yes you clearly know everything about the suffragettes.

      And do you know that in MOST countries around the world it is considered normal and acceptable to breastfed in public. What is it about this culture that has such an aversion to natural processes like breastfeeding, but accepts and promotes overt sexuality in television and movies.

      And why shouldn’t a parent reason with their child in public? That’s EXACTLY what they should do. How do you expect a child to learn? Screaming and yelling in public would certainly be more disruptive.

      • who reasons with a kids?

        Who reasons with a child? You’re serious right. REASON with them? Like they’re on your level. At what point in time to you actually become the parent if you spend your time reasoning with a child? I have 3 children (two “tweens” and one under 5) and at no point have EVER reasoned with them. How do you ever expect them to respect your parental authority if you reason with them? Go ahead, keep reasoning and see where it gets you when they become teenagers. That’s the problem with society today. We spend so much time trying to be friends with our kids that we neglect to be parents. Just because we thought our parents were too hard on us or we have that “I’m giving my child choices because my parents never gave me them”. “Children should be seen and not heard” is still an excellent motto to go by. As a whole is sounds harsh but you so called “forward thinking” parents will spend so much time analyzing that statement that you won’t even realize what it really means. Children are just that, children. They need to be taught to respect their elders, have proper manners in public and in the home, conduct themselves accordingly with the situation, etc. Reasoning with them will only give them the idea that what Mommy and Daddy say really doesn’t hold any water b/c I can usually get them to bend on the situation – reasoning!
        And all about screaming and yelling in public??? Well, I’ve never had to do that. Remember that “look” your father or mother would give you when you acted out in public? Works wonders to this day. My kids will attest to that in a heartbeat. I refuse to embarrass myself by yelling at my kids in public. We will deal with it when we get home.
        Heck, I saw a guy trying to reason with his 3 year old in S-N-S one day. She was standing in the middle of the aisle crying and screaming “I want that” and he was just saying “honey, let’s talk about why Daddy doesn’t want you to have it”. REALLY???!!! How about “You are not going to get it because I”m your father and I said No” He looked like such a fool trying to reason with her. My son even said to me “Mom, why doesn’t he just tell her No and get on with it? You’d kill me if I ever did that in public.” Dang right I would!!

      • Seeking balance

        If only more parents would follow that logic, they’d be welcome in restaurants. My father’s simple “Excuse me??” when we acted up, was enough to get total silence for the rest of that trip/outing.

      • Burghnerdman

        I agree with what you are saying too a degree. When I child gets a little bit older though, they want to know a little bit more. When my daughter was young, we just said no to things and that was the end of it. As she has gotten older however, we tell her why we don’t allow her to do the things that she wants to do. It is always based on love and respect, both for herself and for her parents. I do give her the LOOK, when we are out in public, she knows what it means. I have never once hit her, or called her names, beside her own. If I want her to respect us, We also have to speak too her with respect. We don’t reason with her, but we do explain ourselves in a way, so that she understands why certain behaviors are not acceptible.

      • Mom of 2

        Amen anon!! We tolerate bare bellies and nearly exposed nipples, it’s OK to have your underpants showing because your pants are around your ankles but please don’t breastfeed! I heard a woman who was covered being asked to go sit in the bathroom while her baby nursed. I had to applaud the woman at the adjacent booth ask the server if he would like to eat his meal in the bathroom! There was only 4 tables of people eating at the time, we didn’t complain so that left one. The manager came to the table and apologized to the young couple and comped their meal.

        I think the owner has the right to do this. There are many family friendly restaurants.

      • Seeking balance

        See that’s the thing – REASONING with a child 6 and under is a complete joke and part of the issue. I HATE hearing parents have long involved discussions with children who are out of control, and CONTINUE to be out of control while the parents continue to talk to THEMSELVES. They are children, you REMOVE them from situations where they can not control themselves not to disturb others. I wouldn’t have been able to sit for a week if I acted out like some of these children do in public, and I’m fine with it. I was a good kid from a LARGE family and we were never asked to leave ANYWHERE for our behaviour!

      • Mary

        My parents didn’t scream or yell in public, it wasn’t needed. As I said above, we were taught better and didn’t act up in the first place.

    • stormie

      Anon it is proper for a lady to cover herself with a thin blanket but most women don’t know or care about this form of modesty. And yes I know about the Suffer Jets but what was the point of it all if today’s lady is not a lady.

    • Kristen

      I completely agree with that! 6 is too young — up the age limit!

      • Anonymous

        I like that idea ….

      • Anonymous

        It would ruin his golf lesson business at the range, if he upped the limit. You can take lessons there if your child is six.

  • Anonymous

    I think its a great idea also and I have 3 small children under the age of 7! I do not take them out to eat in nice places because I do not want to ruin other people’s dinner because children to get antzy and do not want to sit still or be quiet!

    • ha

      ever try raising them to behave???

      • mother of one

        yes.. AND my daughter is 25 and very well behaved.. she doesnt want kids because of this.. HA! she would rather have a dog they listen better..

    • rugrat

      My money spends anyplace. I saw the website and menu. It looks like a Winkys….haha…

      • pinky

        you may want to check the menu again, the place is beautiful and the staff is considerate…if parents knew how to PARENT this would never be a problem

    • Anonymous

      not all parents are as considerate as you .

      • rite

        how true.. thanks lady

  • Raul

    I am contacting The ACLU.

    • dan taylor

      why if parent had some control over their children instead of allowing them to yell scream throw food and generally act worse than they would at home. people are paying for that night out thats what baby sitters are for .. it;s a great idea I applaude the guy and his idea

    • Anonymous

      You’d better have your tongue firmly in your cheek.

      • Raul

        Of course I do…Could care less what this establishment decides to do, it is his businesss and he could do whatever he likes with it…

    • Freance

      you are clearly as much of a dolt as the parents that allow their horrid vile children to behave like animals

    • emm

      clearly the rantings of idiocy

    • Anonymous

      ACLU was contacted and they said no laws are boing broken

      • Slayer

        I wander if Raul contacts the proper agency when he breaks the law.How many times you broke the speed limit this week M.r Perfect.

      • Bill

        I knew some moron would try to involve the ACLU .

  • Anonymous

    I think it is an excellent idea. And it shouldn’t just apply to “white table cloth” style establishments.

  • Justice for All!

    I quit going to places just for this very reason.
    People do not have kids today they have animals (sorry its not fair to the rest of the animals) they don’t care what their kids do.
    I have gone over to peoples tables and asked them to bring a leash with them the next time if they can’t control their kids.
    Maybe I will give this place a try.
    It couldn’t hurt now that the brats have to stay out.
    I agree with the other person it should be 10 and under.

    • familyman

      It’s up to the establishment to decide the age limit and they have every right to. I have to say though, that I have been to many restaurants where it’s not the kids that are the animals. Give some of these adults a drink or two and they become more offensive then any loud child. BUT we’ll give them a pass since they are probably spending more than a family with kids. “justice for all” I bet you don’t have many friends and the few that you do probably are as miserable as you. I agree that people should control their kids behavior but it’s not your place to tell them how.

    • Anonymous


      • server

        You’re an idiot dude. I’m a server in a restaurant and there’s been plenty of times that children have been more well-behaved and polite than the parents. Just today, I had a 2 year old with more manners than her father. I find no reason why you need refer to them as “animals”. God forbid you look at the parenting skills that lead to children acting the way they do. I can’t even count how many times mommy and daddy have been too busy with there text messages to reprimand their children. Children are not animals! They are what they’ve been taught to be. Also, look in the mirror. How many times have you been drunk and belligerent in the bar? Your obnoxious behavior interrupts my nice time, but you don’t hear me calling you an animal. Maybe you people should be put on a leash. Doggy want a bone? I have no qualms with the restaurant wanting to ban children. They have that right and we do need some dinners without interruption. However, maybe if you’re so bitter, cynical and overall miserable with your life you should just stay at home and keep your misery to yourself! Don’t rain on my parade!

      • heidi

        I am fine with this establishments choice. Totally fine and respect it in fact. I don’t understand how I am an Idiot. AND it is not only children that behave badly when in public. And it is not OK to behave badly regardless of agev. A few weeks ago when I was out with my husband I could not help but overhear a woman talk very loudly about how many calories were in her large alcoholic drink and how her husband would be getting lucky tonight. And on and on and on. She kept scolding her children for being too loud – but I hardly heard a peep from them! I did not go up to her table and give her a piece of my mind. I just had to deal with it like I deal with foul language, smoking, and other things that I find personally annoying. Unfortunatly life won’t always be fair. I guess people have a right to behave badly, use bad language, and smoke and I have a right not to hear it/smell it/ see it. But we all cannot win and have it our way. I think that this new rule will provide a place for people that don’t want to be around kids. Heck, even as a parent and a teacher there are times when I want “kid free time”. And with all of the comments of bad kid experiences (kids poopie diapers, and kids kicking the seats, kids climbing over the booths) I don’t blame them! Kudos to this place for providing it. However, I don’t think that people need to give someone a piece of their mind when leaving a restaurant because they did not care for the way a child was handled or that it “ruined” their dining experience. I hardly think disagreeing with someone in a comment form makes me an Idiot.

    • heidi

      We don’t take our 3 kids out to nice places to eat and they have had their “moments” at some small pizza places and what not. However, I have also had the owner of an establishment come over and complement me on the great behavior of my “animals” as you call them. I think my children were entertained by the small “pack” at another table in the pasta house. I am totally fine with this establishment banning children. It is their choice and people have the choice to go there if they choose. While there are those case of parents that don’t care about how their children behave. There are a lot of us who do. I don’t think that your hurtful comments helped those parents that might have just been having a bad day with their kids. And even if they were careless parents I think your comment made no different on their parenting style after you gave it. Although sometimes it feel like I’m raising animals, I love them dearly and I hope that I raise them well enough to show respect to others.

      • Leslie

        Very well said!

      • Voice Of Reason

        I think this is one of those news stories that shouldn’t be a big deal. I see no problem with stores or proprietors making decisions to safe guard, or making the establishments better for all. I think the phrase “we reserve the right” needs to come back, and that just because an idiot is asked to leave a store does not make the person asking a racist. Now as far as this issue goes, we all know about parents that do not raise their children properly. Some parents prefer a laissez faire parenting style, that in which they prefer to not make a scene in public. This causes them to practically ignore them, which is what becomes problematic in a restaurant setting. This is unacceptable to the owner of this restaurant, and I am fine with this. Of course in my opinion if these laissez faire parents would be stronger in keeping their children clean and the food on the plate this would not be an issue.

      • Nicole

        I completely agree with Heidi’s comments. It is funny how “Adults” same animalistic behavoirs are excused. I guess it’s bettter to be drunk and disgusting than to be tired and antzy in the “civilized” persons mind. I am a non smoker and am highly offended by smokers polluting the air. Guess what, sometime you just have to deal with things that you dont like. However, I do agree that this business owner has the right to do with his busineess as he wishes. However, after all of the publicity is gone he better be right about his decision. I am sure there is business he will never be able to regain if things don’t work out. I guess some adults forget how they behave.

    • John

      I have to agree with you about kids being animals. The sad thing is, I beleive a lot of the problem goes back to our government. They keep sticking their noses into our personal lives and telling people how to raise their kids. Now people are afraid to discipline the kids or someone will call CYS or something like that. When i was a kid if I got spanked at school, I usually got it again when I got home. Now heaven forbid u lay a hand on your child.

      • Michele M. Lucas

        Totally agree with you, John. We took our kids to a restaurant when they could behave nicely and six wasn’t the age. The last thing anyone wants to do is spend lots of cash to eat out and be tortured by screaming and wandering kids! Parents do not discipline kids; they take orders from them.
        Good for Mike V. He’s got the right idea.

  • Freeland

    I know lot of people that don’t watch there kids.
    I think it is a good thing. That is why that is a place for kids to eat.
    I would do the same thing if i owned a place like his.

  • AboutTime

    Its thier own business and they can do what they like. Go somewhere else if you dont like it.

  • N.A.

    I attended black tie dinners with governors, legislators, lawyers, and CEOs when I was a very small child. All of that was possible because I had parents and grandparents who took me out when I was young and taught me how to behave in public.

    What does banning children really accomplish? As far as I can see, it simply delays the ability for children to learn. Obnoxious children bother me too, but the answer isn’t locking them up at home.

    • Joan

      N.A. – if I am reading correctly, your stated ‘events’ points to a select social class -sad to say also most likely better educated – that understands what is or is not appropriate behavior in public. THIS IS THE ISSUE: I think the point here is not banning kids so much as banning PARENTS or GRANDPARENTS with children this age who do not understand how to manage the children properly, or to note when its time for the child to go home. You cannot teach a two year old child much – you just need to know when they are out of control OR SICK and its time to go. So….who is teaching the so-called parental figures? Providing opportunities means nothing when the parents themselves never learned.
      And if old enough, the kids do not learn what the parents do not teach them, and you need not worry, there are still plenty of venues available to teach them IF TEACHING THEM appropriate behavior is what the parents goal is. You obviously were gifted with thoughtful parents.

    • Anonymous

      they need to banned adults!

    • Jim

      Children don’t learn to act in a civil manner in public. The learn civility at home from their parents. Unfortunately in this age, the parents act like little more than 3 years olds so the children don’t know any better. The only recourse is to lock the children up at home so they don’t bother anyone.

    • dan taylor

      no it’s teaching them at home so that when they leave home they take their manners with them ….

    • Asha

      The issue is of course with the parents and not the children. Parents just seem to lazy to parent these days. I mean for goodness sake just teach your kid some basic manners and we’ll already be streets ahead.

  • Jim Berna

    I believe that there are restaurants that should have an age attendence rule! I know that when my daughter was small she would have a baby sitter while her mother andI would go out for the evening! A restaurant for children should be a Mc Donalds because of their playlands and the food service is fast and a child can go to playland for their entertainment! Remeber, the attention span for a child under 6 years of age is about 15 to 20 minutes, with luck!

  • Anonymous

    So do kids need to carry ID now?

  • Anonymous

    i think it is wrong and kids are precious. They are ing the wrong the resturant should be punished.

    • Anonymous

      Children are NOT “precious” to anyone but their own families (and even then not always). I don’t adore your child, and you don’t adore mine (and I certainly don’t expect you). What the heck is WRONG with you?! You’re probably the very kind of parent who is the very reason for this ban. Yes, our children are a blessing but NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR KID THE SAME WAY YOU DO!!! Why do you think we do????

    • Precious is what precious does.

      Well until you have had dinner next to “precious” who leaves a dump in their diaper while you are trying to enjoy your dinner, you don’t fully understand “precious”.

      • dan taylor

        now there isnt a thing wrong with breast feeding it’s a very natural things a simple cover over the breast shields breast and babt offers the momment of privacy but namny mothers havent been taught that themselves the cycle continues

      • katy

        you mentioned a dirty diaper ..I can top that …changing it at the table and then whipping out a boob and breast feeding …….

    • Penn Hills

      kids are not PRECIOUS! They are loud and obnoxious when they have to sit with no entertainment. I dont have kids and dont want to have yours at the next table distubing me or throwing food, kicking the booth, etc.

      • Anonymous

        than apparently you were not precious either. My kids were taught right. My 3 year old will sit with the best of you and not make a scene. She is quiet when in a restaurant and she knows to sit still until we leave. I hope that some homeless bum that hasn’t used deodorant comes and sits at the table beside you. NOw that is what I disagree with. I go to wal-mart and have to deal with the Amish stench all the time. THank god for kids because I DID teach my kid to tell them that they really should bathe.

      • Anonymous

        Remember you were a kids once yourself. Did you forget?

      • kristy

        no, but i got an a$$ whoopin’ if i misbehaved. not so with today’s kids. they’re free to “express themselves” at the expense of others’ enjoyment and relaxation.


        AMEN TO THAT i SO AGREE!!!!!

    • kristy

      i don’t like kids – never did – so why do i have to be subjected to them at every turn? not everyone likes them. if my dogs are welcome into an establishment, why should kids be allowed? hell, my dogs are better-behaved than most of these “precious” angels.

      • copchick

        Hey Raul, are you serious? Give me a break. If you are so inarticulate, then don’t bother to comment. Sounds like you’ve got the problem pal.

  • Anonymous

    Is this new policy the least restrictive manner to address the issue of preschoolers dining with parents and other family members? I know of a bar and grill that wants to cater to young adults and discourages senior adults over 60 to patronize the establishment. The seniors are in a protected class and can fight this battle. Granted that the under age 6 population has no legal protection under age discrimination in public accomodations, I can’t believe that a less restrictive solution can’t be explored.

    • anonymous in response

      Why does everyone need protected????? Owner: “This is my restaurant. Go away.” End of discussion.


      Sometimes it’s the parents that should be banned from the restraunt cause there dumber than the kids. They don’t know how to train them to keep their little noise makers shut. If your one of those parents then why don’t you just do us all a favor and get your food to go! Then you can listen to your little untrained angel brat carry on at home while your trying to eat your food and the rest of us can relax i a quiet atmosphere and eat in peace. KAPISH!

      • Bob

        Adults can be worse than children. Why not have restraunts WITHOUT BARS! A restraunt does not need people drinkining at bar in it. I say either restraunt or bar, not both!

      • rugrat

        My Money spends elsewhere…I will be around alot longer than that place……Looks like a winkys….

  • Ferguson

    It really isn’t a rule against children as it is about bad parenting.

    • Jojo


  • Silence Is Golden

    Kids only behave how parents teach them. By banning children, they also ban parents who don’t take responsibility for ill-behaved kids. I am for this ban. Not only does it ban loud noisy kids, but it bans the loud noisy parents who scream at the kids in public rather than teach the kids how to behave. When i go to an establishment like this, it’s for a nice, quiet dinner. I don’t go to listen to loud kids or parents. Next, we should work on banning cell phones in restaurants.

    • Joan

      YES! YES! and YES!

  • Anonymous

    This all goes out the window, however, if they allow dogs in there.

    • kristy

      my dogs are better-behaved than the majority of these brats. i stayed at a bed and breakfast in gettysburg that has an open-door policy for dogs, but does not allow kids. love it!

  • Joan

    Kudos to McDAins! Banning the kids is the ONLY WAY TO BAN BAD PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS from bringing the kids so that their bad parenting skills are not inflicted on others. Its not the kids’ fault. Sure, its hard to put up with noisy kids – but its even harder to put up with the so-called ‘parental figures’ who the real nuisances that cant or wont admit the nuisance they are creating -either by ignoring the kids behavior or by disciplining the kids right in front of everyone, and worst of all not acknowledging a child may even BE ILL and should GO HOME.
    If TEENAGERS or ADULTS acted as nuisances, then they would be asked to leave – right? If the adults are responsible for the ‘nuisance’ kids, then the adults with kids acting up should know to leave, or end up being asked to leave. These irresponsible ‘parents’ dont consider themselves as the REAL nuisance and get upset at being asked to leave, so you have to ‘head them off’ and exclude them from being served.
    I was one of 5 kids and our parents mostly only took us out to eat one or two at a time, and it was considered a special treat and only if we were old enough to know that, dressed appropriately, and behaved as if it were such. To this day I regard going out to a decent restaurant (not fast food or ‘cafeteria’ style’) as a special event, each and every time. And that includes many many special restaurants, all over the world.

  • john wallace

    fantastic idea

  • Mayor of GBD

    and get tossed for being an ass…BRILLIANT (not(.

  • anonymous

    I have a 3 year old and I could care less about this rule or this restaurant. I ‘ll just go somewhere else. My husband and I teach our child to behave and use his manners but sometimes he sings and laughs in restaurants because he’s happy….is that wrong? Face it, some people just dont like kids. . It’s legal discrimination, somebody will figure out a way to sue them.

    Did you ever sit next to an obnoxious “adult”? When you go out into the public, guess what….it’s the PUBLIC. Can I stop adults from saying the “F” word around my son in PUBLIC….no. Thats worse!

    • stormie

      You couldn’t have taught your child to behave and use his manners in public because in a former comment you theatened to punch someone in the mouth if they told you to bring a leash for your kid. The proper response would be to talk about it.

    • anonymous


  • kristy

    anonymous – i believe the people against this policy are the people who bred the ill-mannered little monsters that this restaurant’s prohibiting. hallelujah!

    • word to kritsy

      wow kristy in reading your many comments you sound truly to be a bitter woman! Not all kids are ill-mannered little monsters or snot nosed. We get it you don’t like kids but as far as being subjected to them at every corner really??? Did you hatch from a pod as a fully grown adult. You were perfect at birth? Even the most well mannered child will misbehave sometimes for most parents it is embarrassing when their little one acts out in public. I suggest if you don’t want to see kids that you locate an adult community where kids are not allowed were you and your little dog (whose poop obviously doesn’t stink, who is potty trained, who never barks or drools…) can live in peace!

      • anonymous

        God, Kristy, I really hope when you decide to grow up and have a family of your own, your kids are the worst behaved in the world. You’ll also find that you cant just give them a “swat on the a$$” because you live in fear of someone calling the police on you for child abuse. Although, you’ll probably be one of those parents who doesn’t care about your kids, only you dog…

      • kristy

        not bitter at at all – just sick of over-indulgent parents who don’t train their kids. my dogs are better-behaved because they’re disciplined. sure i misbehaved – who hasn’t? – but when i did, i got a swat on the a$$ – no matter where i was – and i learned. now, the parents either feel the need to let their little angel express themselves or simply look the other way. sorry, but that’s the way that it is. it seems to me you fall into this category since you’re so insulted by the truth.

    • Yoi and Double Yoi

      Now if they could only do something about the insensitive, self-centered louts who yammer on their cell phones through their whole meal, and seem to think that the rest of us are keenly interested in their inane conversations…………..

      That’s asking for too much, I guess…be we can dream, eh?

  • kristy

    i beiieve, after reading your “feel-good” posts, that you won’t be “acting.”

  • Barb

    About Time.My hats off to McDains Resturant. I wish more Restaurants would do the same.Take your brats to McDonalds. They can act like animals there.You adults should try gettig some manners yourself.

  • Matt

    Funny how liberals all go running to the ACLU. The owner of any business should be allowed to run it any way he likes. People who are against it can eat elsewhere. I love it

  • andy

    i know when i was a kid if i opened my mouth i was reprimanded asap and didnt try it again.

  • Marilyn Steving

    It’s about time. Many times I wanted to leave a restaurant due to unruly children. It’s one thing to allow your child to talk loud or act silly with their food and yet another to let them run around the restaurant while the parents are ignoring them.

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