Baldwin Man Refuses To Take Down Crosses

BALDWIN (KDKA) — A Baldwin man is refusing to take down his lighted crosses.

Carl Behr said he isn’t going down without a fight at a Baldwin Borough Council.

“They’re not coming down,” he said. “Somebody’s gotta make a stand against these people and I’m here to make it.”

He pleaded his case at the meeting after they issued an order on Monday for the 25-foot cross to come down from his property within five days.

“It’s been about the Lord since the beginning and if anyone tries to make me remove them, they will only anger the Lord,” Behr said.

The council says Behr didn’t apply for a permit. Even if he does apply for one, he has to be in compliance with a new lighting ordinance council has been working on for the past four months.

Ironically, it passed Tuesday night.

“The lighting ordinance allows us to place restrictions on residential lighting that would be deemed a nuisance,” Baldwin Borough Manager John Barrett said.

If Behr doesn’t apply for a permit and doesn’t take down the crosses, then he will face fines.


One Comment

  1. enough already says:

    if this is truely about the lord then perhaps a compromise can be made. maybe lower watt bulbs can be used or a sheer covering to cut down the brightness but the cross could still be seen. it is rediculous how one perosn gripes and everyone has to be punished for the sake of one complainer.

    1. Dana says:

      Why is it that people who aren’t Christians seem to know the most about Christianity?

      1. Heather says:

        I’m not sure, why is it Christians seem to think they’re above the rules?

      2. Mike says:

        Because many of them believe that they are right and every one else is wrong.

        It is their way or no way at all.

        In his whacky mind, he believes he is doing “God’s will.”

      3. itscc721 says:

        because it is our right to feel any way we want, just like the JEWS< MUSLIMS and any other religion. WHY is so many are against CHRIST..

      4. Mike says:

        @ itscc721

        What are you talking about “why are so many against Christ?” This nation is made up of a Christian majority… wow, I swear, they come out of the woodwork every where.

        The agnostics, atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus… those people are the ones who suffer intolerance and prejudice in this country much more so than any Christian faith.

      5. Dennis Starr says:

        You are without a doubt the dumbist poster I have ever read on ANY site.

      6. Baker says:

        Why is so many against speaking good?

      7. Heather says:

        @itscc721 – I’ve a feeling so many are against christ b/c those who speak for him (the most vocal of t hem that is) are rather insane. Read the comments on this post and if you keep your mind open a bit, you’ll see. Something as simple as a coding violations has gotten christians in such in uproar,that they’re blathering on about how they’re being persecuted….

        Over coding violations.

      8. Bones says:

        For the same reason dad knows how to play better football than the players and coaches!

      9. Watchman says:

        They don’t necessarily know more about Christianity. Could it be that you think they do, due to your lack of knowledge? Just asking!

      10. The Truth Counts says:

        Beautiful comment! Short and exact.

      11. Mike says:

        Because the more one learns about Christianity the more one realizes it is bull.

    2. Joe says:

      Your comment is ignorant.
      This cross is not this man’s prayers.
      Oh, and the Bible says: “Pray without ceasing”
      Reconcile that with your form of reasoning.

      1. Tom says:


        YOU say this cross is NOT this mans prayers…YOU say that. But this man has said this is HIS HONOR to GOD. It may not be how I honor GOD, it may not be how YOU honor GOD…BUT this is HIS WAY, and between him and GOD, this isa GREAT thing. Now how do you think God views YOU telling this man that his SACRIFICE of all that he is, by putting himself out there like this for HONOR of HIS GOD, isnt worth spit…do you think God will look well on you for mocking this mans approach to honoring the Father and the Son? This is simple to answer, if you ahd a son Joe, and your son drew you a symbol, that showed to you, that he , as your child, believed in you as his father…would you mock him? should you mock him? Of Course not, it would be parental cruelty…But you for some reason believe calling this mans worship of God as trash…I’ll say it again, its hard to believe God will be on your side in this, as your words are just plain heartless and empty…taking zero courage…But this man …has shown some courage in what he is doing…and he is doing it not for men…but to his creator. Let them send him to jail, he will sit in jail for how ever long they forcibliy keep him their for his lit cross…maybe until he dies…but they, they will rot in hell for this move for he wins, not you, not them…they sign their own fate…foolishness and folly is all we are capable of. Leave the guy alone and you actually win. Dumb Dumb Dumb

      2. Mike says:

        @ Tom,

        “YOU say this cross is NOT this mans prayers…YOU say that. But this man has said this is HIS HONOR to GOD. It may not be how I honor GOD, it may not be how YOU honor GOD…BUT this is HIS WAY, and between him and GOD, this isa GREAT thing.”

        So, it si between me and my God that I want burn a cross in my yard and then take dead animal parts and fry them in the fire and then it is between me and my worshiping of god that I want to run naked in my yard during my ceremony and howl at the moon…. is it still okay? If not… join the other hypocrites.

      3. Tom says:


        Oh you could do that if you were not well read in the Bible, see that was before the last sacrifice came that ended all sacrifices here on earth. That last sacrifice came in the form of the man that WE nailed to the tree…there has been no sacrifices since he was offered up for YOUR sin Mike. You need to read your Bible Mike, your ignorance is showing.

      4. Mike says:

        @ Tom,

        you are so wrong for many reasons, but I’ll start here…

        1. You say it is Carl’s right to worship his God in his own way. Are you saying that only applies to those who are Christians? If not, go back to what I said previously and if I want to worship my God by running naked and eating animal flesh around a burning bush, then so be it.

        If you answer is YES, then you are a hypocrite christian who believes in a theocratic society just like the Muslim societies – no difference between your faiths.

        As for reading the Bible, I have read it, studied it and know the teachings like the back of my hands, so my ignorance is not showing… your ignorance (the fact that you believe that only one way is the way) is indeed showing.

      5. TO MIKEHUNT says:


      6. nellas says:

        @to mikehunt

        either you are trying to appear as an immature in order to make christians look ridiculous, or you need to stop acting like that, because if so, you’re making us look ridiculous.

      7. mikehunt says:

        You are doing a good job of that yourself

      8. nellas says:


        Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. john 14:6

        despite any previous argument you and others may have had on this thread, i say, even if i had read the Bible in it’s entirety, 1000 times over, The Word is God, and to say i know God like the back of my hand would be to say i can utterly comprehend Him, and that would be blasphemy.

        In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. john1:1

      9. Mike says:


        Jesus said that and so has it been written that other prophets have said basically the same thing.

        In the beginning was the Word – who is the Word?
        And the Word was with God – So, I take it God is God
        And the Word was God – So, the Word and God make up a Godhead?

        Where is the 3rd person in this scenario?

        If your Bible is correct, Why wouldn’t state in John1:1 a triune God that is taught by most Christian faiths.

        In the begining was the WORD and GOD and they were GOD.

        That is only a 2-headed God.

      10. mikehunt says:

        For someone who knows the bible inside and out you sure are an idiot.

      11. Baker says:

        Yes, because to get all the facts about Religion and/or God, we should all read a book written BY MAN centuries old. Bah, sheep, bah.

      12. Tom says:

        Mike ,

        I also just realized you were talking about satanic rituals. not biblical sacrifices. Mike satism was never a condoned religion as it represents evil? It says basically man can kill other people as they see fit , as there is no god, you can steal, you can rape at will. Mike i dont recall ever in US Huistory that being the precedent, so why do you foolishly try to pretend it is one today? If you do that whichis evil today, you go to jail. Thats in perfect alignment with the Judeo Christian principles of the Bible. Mike I have ACTUAL history on my have nothing but made up fantasy.

        Oh one more thing Mike, If God doesnt ewxist, then what is the history of the Jews? Where did they come from? there is no competing history to the story of the jews and where they came from other than the Bible. Archeology shows the artifacts , locations and times of the Bible to be accurate account of the jews . So Mike, for your fantasy to be true…an entire race of people must…disappear off the planet. Ingornance is bliss aint it Mike. man everything you work so hard to justify in your life, zeroized by the fact of the existence of a certain race of people. That must turn the suck way up in your life dude.

      13. Baker says:

        @Tom You said “I also just realized you were talking about satanic rituals. not biblical sacrifices. Mike satism was never a condoned religion as it represents evil? It says basically man can kill other people as they see fit , as there is no god, you can steal, you can rape at will. Mike i dont recall ever in US Huistory that being the precedent, so why do you foolishly try to pretend it is one today?”

        Really? Cause people don’t go around raping, killing, and stealing? I believe all those crimes are near an all time high. In fact, people have been doing those things all throughout U.S. (and human) history. And most of those actions are done in the name of God, not Satan.

      14. Baker says:

        Okay from here on it, instead of saying “put that in your pipe and smoke it” I am going to say “Reconcile that with your form of reasoning”. LOL. It’s so proper!

    3. pedro says:

      nice missquoting of the bible. if that was the case then why did God honor Daniel when he opened his window and prayed in front of all Babylon? Keep spitting your false doctrine while this town puts ordinances in place specifically aimed at making this man remove the cross from his property.

    4. JT says:


      Because in their hearts they know the truth, and they can only ridicule what they can not reconcile with themselves.

    5. Rich says:

      As long as no one is getting hurt you are allowed to put anything you want on your PRIVATE PROPERTY unless this isn’t America anymore

    6. Mike says:


      don’t speak about what is in my heart and I know what is my truth and it isn’t your God.

    7. Mike says:

      Hey Rich, get this…

      The neighbor is getting hurt by this knucklehead’s blinding structure. Having property rights doesn’t mean you can infringe on your neighbor’s rights.

    8. John says:

      You are right Rafe. And putting up crosses and other images is idolatry and forbidden by God. Christians put more focus on the execution tool rather than the blood of Christ that he gave through the Passover of the New Covenant. It is very sad. Having images of crosses originates in pagan cultures. Wake up you Christians! Keep the Passover of the New Covenant, not man made customs.

    9. Jimmy says:

      Why does the mention of Christs name make people spew hatred? and what the hell does santa have to do with anything? what matters here is that the rights of americans are being taken away one by one and nobody cares, just because you arent a christian doesnt mean you cant stand up for the rights of all americans! jsut because you dont love guns doesnt mean you cant stand up against gun control laws! just because you dont smoke pot doesnt mean you cant stand up for the rights of those that do!! AMERICA!!!!

    10. srcamachonj says:

      How’s this Dana, since you are assuming people aren’t Christians because they don’t want a giant lighted cross in their neighborhood.
      Exodus 20:4-6
      “Thou shalt not make any graven image”

    11. Matt says:

      Yes, it would be because it would be a place of WORSHIP (you know….the kind that are tax exempt/non-profit…….not private homes). He should apply for the right permits to start his own church then.problem for him is that his neighborhood is probably not zoned commercial.

    12. Mike says:

      @ John,

      Sounds like you know about the Worldwide Church of God and its founder, Mr. Armstrong.

    13. Marty McFly says:

      Uh, Jesus is the light of salvation, not the cross. The cross is just a brutal Roman death that Christ overcame and conquered. Scripture states “Take up your cross and follwo me (Jesus)”, not follwo the cross.

    14. sarvette says:

      God also says “not to hide our light under a bushel”

    15. pjnmuddlings says:

      This is about Freedom of religion. The Bible teaches us to speak out about the Lord, not hide in our closets. Apparently you have only read those lines that you agree with like so many that are cafeteria style Christians, Jews, Muslims, government workers, politicians, etc…..

      1. Greg says:

        This is NOT about Freedon of religion…this IS about ANNOYING THY NEIGHBOR

      2. juice says:

        I agree. People are going overboard thinking this is all about religion. Why is it so hard to believe that this guy could just be an A-hole.

    16. sarvette says:

      a cross is not a “graven image” or idolatory,,a image of a golden calf, buddah, would be…we acknowledge the cross as one where Christ died for us and rose again that we might have eternal life with him in heaven. Christ died on a cross. That is not a graven image or idolatry.

      1. JD says:

        God is a budduhist, haven’t you seen South Park?

      2. Arthur says:

        graven image: a carved idol OR a representation of a god used for worship. (ie, a CROSS)

        idolatry: extreme admiration, love, or reverence for something or someone. (ie, Jesus, God, Mary, a Cross).

        Christianity completely revolves around idolatry and graven images; it is at its very core!

        You don’t look at it like that because you follow the notion “my idea of god is better than you’re idea of god”.

      3. David says:

        Well that is dumb. Seeing as its a false witness to what he was hung on. Crosses were not sued they were simply wooden stakes liek a trelephone pole.

        In any even using a cross to depict god or a idea of god is no different then using a goldden calf..the only difference is the shape.

      4. Baker says:

        IDK about that. My god died on a giant lower case T. Sooo….

      5. Mike says:


        Now your replies are cracking me up. lol

      6. Ronald Raglen says:

        i would like to know what graven image does it represent! It ‘s just a cross!

      7. Tal Abrams says:

        Not a graven image by itself but it does represent idolatry to those outside your small minded and judgmental sect….look at the crucifix. Many x-tians pray to this Jesus of yours when the God of the bible said himself,”I am alone, there is none other beside me.” You are assuming facts not in evidence. “Christ”, derived through the Greek from the original biblical Hebrew term moshiach (anointed one) is a personal belief and opinion not a fact. Most personal religious belief systems are called, “truth” by their members because their definition of the word truth is, “that which cannot be proven false.”
        “We acknowledge the cross….”????? Who is this, we? You do not speak for me or the majority of the world. Nothing in your comment can be verified. Prayers to Buddha is idolatry also, according to the bible but unlike x-tianity the Buddhists never brought holy war and slaughter to the nations. I believe in live and let live and to let God judge his people but I cannot tolerate fools, who by some mystical authority in their mind try to force their beliefs on others. One should think hard and know the facts and the subject before presuming to teach others. But hey, you are certainly not alone. History is replete with those of your ilk. The inquisition was not among x-tianitys finest moments. Please, convert to Islam so you will be a more recognizable target when the next war comes.

      8. Mike says:

        @ Tal Abrams,

        Right on!

      9. Karen says:

        Exactly and anyone saying anything different is disingenious. We aren’t looking at the cross as ,”Look there’s God”. We aren’t worshiping the cross. We don’t think it is holy. Only God is holy. We use the cross to remind us of him . We wear the cross to show we are Christian. Too bad those who are always lecturing to Christinas on toleraqnce are the most mean spirited intolerant of all. Idolitry is worshgiping an inanimate object of a pagan God. Christ is GOD,incarnate. Start with the first book of the N.T.Matthew.

      10. Mike says:

        @ Karen,

        There are many Christian denominations that believe the cross is a pagan symbol and forbid its use.

      11. dbomb12 says:

        Actually the cross is a graven image according to the Bible which most people neglect to read throughly.

      12. cherubim says:

        you are absolutely right,Sarvette!be a soldier of Jesus Christ….Jesus is proud of you.keep going my friend.

    17. sarvette says:

      Christians don’t think they know everything…We just read and study the Bible and learn more about Christ. No different than if you would study a specific field to learn as much as you could about it….

      1. Baker says:

        Actually, Sarvette, you read about what other men thought they knew about Christ. In fact, some of the Bible was written decades after his “death”. Comparing studying the Bible to studying a biology book is a false analogy. Science books are full of facts. Bibles are full of lies and opinions. Despite what everyone believes, bottom line is, the Bible in any language, translation, or religion was written and edited by men.

      2. Peter says:

        And the stories of the bible have changed MANY times over the years. There are HUGE parts missing as well. Additionally there are many inconsistancies. Being pro marriage and pro family. Well, why wasnt Jesus married with children. Also some books such as Timothy and Leviticus talk about woman being subserviant to their men and to remain silent. Well we ALL know woman can not be silent. It also says woman should not wear their hair in braids or wear gold or other adornments. Not to mix certain textiles or eat shell-fish. And if this man named Jesus were killed by hanging would we be adorning a noose?
        And since Ive studied religeon and the read the bible more than once from the 1st page to the last as well as a lot of other studies, there are numerous “books” that were taken OUT of the bible. Mainly because death and destruction was so prevelant that these “books” were removed becasue it was felt to be too depressing for those wanting to convert others. IT IS FICTION.

      3. Stephen says:

        peter you are very ignorant. The books were not removed they were kept out at the council of Nicaea (misspelled i think). The were kept out because they were either not from one of the apostles/those who saw Jesus face to face or regarding as scripture from the beginning of Christianity. You say that you have studied religion but you seem to have studied it with the bias of it being a lie. You are very entitled to your opinion and i respect that, as am i; mine being it is truth. Also, i agree that the prevalence of symbols s a bit much and we have seemingly become a “bumber sticker” Christianity. The true following of Jesus is more about action and the heart than conversion. You can call me crazy and a religious nut. but really according to your disposition only death will prove who is right. Also, the stories have not changed many times over as you have said. The earliest copies that have been found date to within 30 to 40 years of the death of Jesus, well within the lifetimes of eye witnesses.

      4. Jerry M. says:

        Baker-All books are written and edited by men! What’s your next great revelation?

      5. Mike says:


        Many of those stories found in the Bible were written thousands of years before Jesus even existed.

        In the history of the human race, there have been many stories written about a character like Jesus by people from many different races and societies.

      6. rev says:


        I am new here, but I just want to get something straight. Could you give some examples of the “facts” found in science books and the proof from science (not men who study science) that they are true? Likewise, could you give some examples of the “lies” and “opinions” in the Bible. Also, if the bible was “written and edited by men,” Who wrote and edited the “facts” in the science books? Please do not mistake these questions as an angry Christain trying to teach you a lesson. I am simply a man of faith who believes in the Bible, the death, the burial, and the ressurection of Jesus Christ by faith. However, I also believe that science has its truths and “lies and opinions” as well. Just looking for examples of each.

    18. vaup says:

      god doesn’t exist, lets just be honest. Free yourself and your mind from the shackles of religion. Religion breeds hate, ignorance and above all the indoctrination of children into this lunacy. Think with your brain not your heart!

      1. Radar says:

        The way I figure it I would rather believde in God and when I die find out there is no god rather than not belive in God and find out there is God, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit in Heaven waiting for me and I cannot get there because I was blinded by my prejudices here on earth before I died. The choice is yours. Use it wisely because eternity is a lot longer than either of us know. I believe and will not let someone like you damper my belief, it only make is stronger.

    19. Jwaldrop says:

      I’m a Christian and I agree with Rafe 100%!!!!

    20. RT says:

      Matthew 6:5 thru 7 is where it says to pray in private. And the reason why non-Christians, even atheists, know more about religion is because we study it rather than receiving anything blindly. It’s about doubt as much as faith.

    21. tubaman says:

      youre an idiot.heres a man who wants to express his religious feelings when fools like you who hate religion stand by and cheer a stupid ruling by a stupid bunch of council members. What would you do if a mosque moved to your neighborhood and broadcast the call to prayer five times a day?Would you go the council and complain that the noise was driving you nuts?I doubt it.You people are so politically correct you make me sick.

      1. Mike says:

        Go play your tuba, man. You are a nutbox just like the other religious crazies.

      2. JD says:

        A 25 foot sign in a residential area is not an area for sharing your views. This is crazy. If he gets to keep the cross, someone should put up a 25 foot “bird”. After all iit is just expressing views, right?

      3. Baker says:

        Man, someone is REALLY upset about the homeowners association’s new ban on tubas, huh?

      4. Ralph Edmund says:

        The question is not “what would you (the supposed religion haters) do. Its “What YOU the Christian would do if a mosque planned to open near your house…or perhaps two blocks away from ‘Ground Zero.” how about answering THAT????

        Stop shoving YOUR religion down your neighbor’s throats, hypocrite.

      5. Peter says:

        You are an idiot. OBVIOUSLY! If a mosque were to erect a loud speaker and use it to broadcast a call to prayer it would NOT be allowed. You KNOW it would not be allowed! If I were to build a huge tower of electrical wire and lights and it wasnt up to code and a fire started and the neighborhood burnt down, who is to blame? The CITY would be to blame for not requiring a permit. Just like adding a structure to anyones home MUST HAVE A PERMIT. DOnt be a bible thumping idiot. At least have an intelligent argument.

      6. Honestly, they (the crosses) do look kind of ugly, but thats besides the point. If private property still exists (I doesn’t, but anyways…) what business is it of ANYONE what this man does with his property (assuming it is his)? He’s not hurting anyone, is he? What Constitutional authority does local government have to deny this man freedom of religion on his own property? Is he not paying his electric bill? Liberals preach tolerance but I never see it practiced towards anyone different from them. Christians should also understand that persecution is just par for the course, its going to get worse before it gets better. The Bible doesn’t contradict itself (to whoever said that), unless its taken out of context or an issue with translation from Hebrew to Greek to English. Feel free to google it, lots of website that can explain it. Later.

      7. Dwatt says:

        Allah Akbar…
        He IS the TRUE GOD,,,

      8. John says:

        Actually, Stephen, it is you who are ignorant of certain facts. The Council of Nicaea about 325 years A.D. which was comprised of about 300 bishops, in fact DID “remove” books from the “bible”. If you know what you say you know, you would know that there were originally over 1,000 books considered to be the bible, until the Council paired them down to 66. Incidentally, they also edited them to make them in “agreement” but they did overlook such contradictions as the actual wording of the sign placed on the cross as reported by Matthew and Luke. The Council also decided the Jesus was the son of God. Your arrogance in claiming that what you say is truth and Peter is wrong is embarrassing. Now, Mr. “Truth” please tell me what your version of “truth” would be had you been born in Saudi Arabia of Muslim parents. That idea alone should lead you to the inescapable conclusion the “ALL religions are false”, including yours. As a professed Xian, I am guessing that you believe that some magic man in the sky created the earth 6,000 years ago and then meddled in the history of man. Most religions (Mormons are an exception, regardless of the fantasy of its tenets) began when most people wondered “Who was hiding the sun every night.” Consider also that the DNA of humans is 99% identical to that of chimpanzees, as well as also having genes components in common with yeast. Oh, I forget, god did that just to confuse us, as he did by fabrication dinosaur bones and burying them all over the globe.

        Putting up such obnoxious signs such as this man’s cross is subject to municipal ordnances. If he wants to gaze upon a cross, he should move close to a church.

    22. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

      People that believe in god are delusional. People that believe god talks to them are mentally ill. People that act on the messages from their unseen imaginary friend are psychotic and may be dangerous.

      1. Radar says:

        For you this earth is as good as it will ever get for you. You refuse to entertain another line of thought. For us who believe, we feel that this earth is as bad as it will get. We have a hope and promise that heaven awaits us. Your choice but I would ask that you do some research and look at some other idea rather than what you wrote above.

    23. Kevin Hayes says:

      Oh, I just hope my neighbor puts up a few 25′ tall crosses. Wouldn’t that be great. Hey maybe we could get most of the folks on the street to do it too. Then try to sell your house…good luck!

    24. Iseehateisalive says:


    25. kENDRICK1 says:

      Most of you probably don’t believe that there is a Batman, Robin, Superman, or Incredible Hulk. I don’t get exercised that you don’t believe. I don’t get all bent out of shape when I see advertisement for those characters. It’s your business if you want to worship the Packers, Steelers, Bengals! Fishing! Hunting! Dale Earnhardt, Jr.! And some of you do! Why is it that some froth at the mouth at the mention of God, or see a church building, or, in this case a cross? CONVICTION!!!!!

    26. Mike says:

      I agree, Kevin Hayes.

      Why stop there? I will see if my entire street can put up anything they want – naked statues, Nazi images, Ku Klux Klan symbols, devil pentagrams and such and then aim those structures at each other’s homes and then blare very intense bright lights at each home… we would all get along so great then. LOL

    27. Crystalbast says:

      If your neighbor put up a huge lit crescent moon in his front yard would you also defend his right to do so? Or Star of David?

    28. sarvette says:

      wow, arthur,,you are just plain nutty..what biblical text are you quoting?

    29. John C says:

      Plug in your Apple earbuds and hang on!

    30. Harry Russell says:

      Leave the crosses up, fight city hall and protect your freedom of speech and religion. Its about time American challenged the commies in this country.

    31. Jim says:

      Here is a FACT – like or NOT, believe in Him or NOT – make no mistake – some day you WILL be talking to God.

      1. Sean says:

        That’s right Jim. One day all these mockers will have to give an account of themselves to God. As the prophecy reads. “For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”
        -Book of Romans 14:11 (The Holy Bible)

    32. Janalyn says:

      This world is completely insane! We are not complying with these God-forsaken laws no matter what the threat. Leave this man alone. He is doing the Lord’s work and is obviously harmless and making a point for the Lord in a day and age in society when evil rules from every corner, and a pathetic excuse for a governing body of local imbeciles will fine and harass you for putting up a cross of Christ. But they wouldn’t dare fine or harass these disgusting, murderous Muslims who lay down in the middle of streets all over the world posturing themselves and just daring anyone to defy them or say something! Never mind badger or harass them for pushing their way into Ground Zero to build a monument to Satan at the site of sacrificed lives on 9-11-01. The heck with permits! All law has gone by the wayside in this world. Antichrist Nobama spits on our Constitution, was born and bred in Kenya and Indonesia, and Mr. Behr has to give this stupid asinine town money to apply to put up a cross which they will prevent him from displaying anyway? What morons do these idiots take us all for? Mr. Behr, I applaud you and pray for you. Stick to your guns and cover yourself and claim the blood of the Lamb for your protection, and He will do just that. GOD BLESS YOU!

      1. Donna says:

        Are you insinuating that Muslims do not deserve freedom and self-determination? Do they not have the right to create thier own government based on thier own values and beliefs? here you are complaining that Christians in this country are being fined and harasseed, but you deny people of other religions the right to worship freely or decide thier own fate. What amazing hypocrisy!

    33. Sean says:

      “The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” -1 Corinthians 1:18

      “For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, to me every knee shall bow, And every tongue shall confess to God.” -Romans 14:11 (The Holy Bible)

      1. cherubim says:

        you are absolutely right Sean!

      2. cherubim says:

        let’s fight for a good cause. I’m at your side. God the Father,the Son and Holy Ghost are one. Mr. Carl Behr you are a soldier of Jesus Christ, be strong and hold on to your faith.God the Father bless you for what you are doing.

      3. Mike says:

        Carl is a crazy person and any one who sides with him is a loony toon as well.

    34. KH says:

      I’m sure its about the money they can impose in fines. Lets face it, governments can continue to support themselves with out some manner of legal language to enforce transition of money from the private sector to the government sector. Obviously its not about religion, since mosques are going up all across America and Christianity is coming under fire. Its about the money and a political agenda. Always has been!

      1. Mike says:

        @ KH,

        The majority of Americans are of Christian faith. Prove to me where Christians are coming under fire. That is just plain nonsense.

    35. greene knight says:

      really? where did you read that, on a Cracker Jack Box?!

      1. Mike says:

        Who are you talking to? If me, it is common knowledge.

  2. Mario Posi says:

    Typical political garbage as usual. They all think they are the rulers of everyone– in the courts, the councils, senate, congress and so on– when all they are is just the same thing as we are— children of god— in no way shape or form are they even close to being better than anyone else or higher up than anyone else– theres only one person in my life that I need to answer to– and it isnt any of these idiots. Leave the guy alone people— REMINDER— ITS A DEMOCRACY NOT A COMMUNISTS COUNTRY— IN CASE YOU HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN!!

    1. Simpleman says:

      Well put.

    2. Bob says:

      I agree, once again government sticking their nose into someones private business. If anyone hasn’t noticed, they are taking more of our rights away, No matter who we vote in, they turn corrupt.

      1. Eli says:

        Well, having a giant, illuminated 25 foot cross in your yard suddenly makes it a public matter not a private one.

      2. Donna says:

        It is a public nuisance because it is on his roof and lights up the whole neighborhood. If he wants to put it in his living room where it won’t annoy the neighbors, then more power to him!

    3. Get Educated says:

      We live in a Republic NOT a Democracy.

      1. Jonathan says:

        No! We’re officially recognized as a Democratic-Republic. We started out as a Republic – but things have changed since the founding of our nation.

      2. Pete_Bog says:

        I live in a house.

    4. Rafe says:

      You sound like children of first cousins. This IS a democracy. majority rules. Be considerate of your neighbors and fellow man.
      If YOUR neighbor gets on his roof w/ a megaphone yelling prayers through out the day. Well that would be just fine w/ you, right?
      Is god unable to see a 25 INCH cross? Doesnt he KNOW whats in your heart?
      Why not a 50 foot cross. Jesus would have you give the money to the poor. How much did that cost? how much is the electricity? For this prideful display?

      1. Jarhead68 says:

        The United States is not a pure democracy. The Founders set up a representative Republic. The Constitution was designed so that the majority could not run roughshod over the minority. I don’t know who taught you American history but they should give back whatever salary they earned.

      2. Noneya says:

        No, this is NOT a majority rules democracy….the US is a republic where the LAW rules…with a constitution and judges to make sure that the laws are fair. If we were a democrary every person would vote on every law and majority would rule. I’m pretty sure blacks would still be slaves in parts of the country in a true democracy.

      3. TP Reitzel says:

        Utter nonsense. Personally, I don’t give a damn how the founding principles of our republic have been distorted by corrupt rulings from the SCOTUS, either. The founders of our country clearly created a republic which is precisely why the unconstitutional 17th amendment should simply be ignored by the states along with every amendment since the 12th. States, reclaim your constitutional rights under the 10th amendment. Let’s fight the Civil War, i.e. the war for states’ rights, all over again if necessary and let the individual states determine their future.

        I wonder precisely how much harm these lighted crosses are doing to his neighbors? Hardy har har … Personally, I support this man’s fight against the fascist policies unilaterally imposed by the city.

      4. Marty McFly says:

        If this were a true deomcracy then Al Gore would have won in 2000.

        I do agree with you with the cross issue, pride and arrogance is a sin that is an abomination to God. This person is not showing the unconditional love that jesus taught. He is displaying a conditional love that is humanistic in philosophy. I think Matthew 15:6 and Mark 7 have good insight on traditions. Clossians 2:8 also has some good insight. I think God would be more pleased to share his faith with the woman, the woman also claiming to be Christian, to pray toegther and worship together. Corinthians states to squash any quarrells within the church.

      5. tymtrvlr says:

        Would’nt that have been great if the demands of the majority of Americans had been recoognized during the obamacare debacle?

      6. Baker says:

        @JarHead Nice use of the word “roughshod”.

      7. sonny says:

        If we were a democracy, you would have to stay home every day to vote on everything that came before congress. Learn the meaning of a word before you use it

      8. Dee says:

        Check out Judas’ words about the costly jar of ointment and see how much your words resemble his.

    5. Michael says:

      It’s a Republic, not a Democracy.

      1. trolly says:

        It’s Idiocracy any more.

    6. Joe says:

      Close Mario, close but not quite.
      It is NOT a Democracy.
      It’s a form OF Democracy and it’s called a “Representative Republic.
      (which makes your argument even stronger)

      1. Worried Human says:

        While you are correct and thank you for pointing that out to everyone…. Your ideology still scares me.

      2. Green Peace says:

        It matters not. This serf is out of line and must be crushed.

    7. clarissa says:

      Totally agree! Everything seems backwards in the world with what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right. My neighbor has a santa still out.. I could care less what my neighbors do with their properties, just don’t bother mine.

    8. Linda says:


      1. Mike says:

        I agree with you, Linda, but why are you YELLING?

      2. Linda says:

        Mike, just trying to make sure everyone saw it, burns me up when somone says we live in a democracy thats all. Sorry!

      3. Checkmoot says:

        Actually, in the most important election, the one for President, the most votes do not neccessarily win. The most electoral votes do. In 2000 Gore beat Bush by about 300,000 votes, and still lost.

      4. Mike says:

        And thank goodness for the electoral college… otherwise people living in LA, NY, and other major cities would be determining who the president would be in every election… those living in the midwest, northwest and other poorly populated states would never have a say.

      5. Baker says:


        At least, that’s what Fox News believes.

    9. Dave says:

      a democracy is majority rule so until it comes up for a vote the folk that were elected are the folks you choose to make the desision for you

    10. Mike says:

      Good points. But to be exact the US is a republic NOT a democracy.

    11. Ronald Raglen says:

      It’s almost like a communist country. Where is our private property rights!

      1. RT says:

        Sillysillysilly. If he lived alone in the middle of the desert, it would be one thing. (Though he might have jets landing on his lawn.) He lives inside a town’s city limits and the the city legally has the right to restrict certain things. If he wants his cross, tell him to move.

    12. FaithfulAgnostic says:

      Democracy has nothing to do with it. Try some common courtesy. Your argument would allow me to construct a giant loud speaker and blast Christian deathmetal. This music type features brutal guitar riffs, massive bass booms, and iconic screaming. Feel free to Google The Devil Wears Prada: I Know a Ghost. However, out of common courtesy, I refrain, as I understand that not every one appreciates the vocal controls and talent f some deathmetal bands. If you still support this mans right, then please respond with the neighborhood you live in, as I would love to be free to play by religious based music as loud as I want.

  3. Nobody Special says:

    Welcome to the Communist State of Pennsylvania…

    1. Former PA Resident says:

      Technically, it is the Communist Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Fixed it for ya!

  4. Meerkat says:

    Landscape the yard up one side and down the other with crosses, just have a little consideration for your neighbours and refrain from having light shine at their windows at night.

    1. Linda says:

      Try living in California, they are all nuts out here. Yours trully is an exception, ha

      1. Ralph Edmund says:

        Actually, we are the sane ones. Its the religious nutters who cause the probs here in Cali. I wish they’d pick up their craven idols and houses of holy stupidity and move to some dump back in christchurch parrish wherever usa where dinosaurs onced lived side by side with Fred Flintstone.

  5. Simpleman says:

    Here we go again. Let’s make this guy take down a religious symbol to satisfy the people who are against God. They are probably the same people who complain about churches having put up a nativity scene. I for one and glad this guy is standing up for what is right. And may all of the inhuman atheists out there all burn in hell come judgement day.

    1. William Campbell says:

      Missing the point, buddy.

      1. Simpleman says:

        No. Im not.

      2. The Spirit of '76 says:

        William Campbell,

        No he isn’t. I’m delighted to see some of the people of Pittsburgh stand against the insanity that swept this land with the advent of sex, drugs, rock ‘n’ roll and the New Left commies of the 1960s.

        “Freedom from religion” is a Soviet concept, enshrined in any number of the various constitutions they would concoct from time-to-time in justification of their oppression. Anti-racism is also a Soviet concept, integral to the “international” part of “International Socialism”. The idea of state control over private property, or the elimination of private property altogether in the name of the “common good” is the essence of Communism.

        Unfortunately for the rest of us, the bulk of the Western Pennsylvania biomass is oblivious to such nuance, and extreme credulity, worship of the state, and fear of official reprisal are dominant in their immigrant’s psyche.

        Heavy sigh…

        While I am a native Philadelphian, my family’s first steps on the American continent were at Plymouth Rock courtesy of the Mayflower expedition.

        I wonder what grandpa Brewster would make of the blatantly oppressive, hostile “governments” of this land. It is worth noting, as a factual matter, the Crown of AD1600 did not oppress Puritanism or any kind of non-conformism. Neither did the Dutch kingdom that welcomed the Pilgrims immediately prior to their voyage. Yet even those mild interferences with their desire to worship our Creator in the way they thought best was sufficient to drive them to a wilderness and suffer great harm.

        How many of you have the testicular fortitude? No, it’s much easier to get elected to some pompous local “commission” and lord it over your fellows, pretending to be the very landlord your grandpappy fled 100 years ago.

        Bloody peasants.

      3. Matt says:

        Yes You are.

      4. A Humble Servant says:

        Did anyone stop to consider that maybe GOD told this man to put this cross up in his yard. When God himself tells you to do something, you must be obedient and do it, even if it means that people don’t agree with you or believe in what you are doing. Remember Noah? I support this man putting a cross in his yard. In this country we need to get back to biblical values and principles, and that my friend is the point!

    2. Jason says:

      The neighbor who complained about the excessive light from the crosses actually believes in God but she doesn’t believe that means she has to be kept up at night because the guy deliberately put them so they shine in her windows. Way to completely miss the whole point of this story so you can spew your own personal hate agenda.

      1. Detex says:

        Thank you!!! Man, people will take any story off the Drudge and go off like it is the end of the f0cking world! Really? This country scares me and it ain’t the government that I am talking about here, it is the crazies that come out of the wood work (doesn’t matter what side you are on!)

    3. Mike says:

      ” Let’s make this guy take down a religious symbol to satisfy the people who are against God.”

      What an idiotic comment posted by a simpleton.

      You are the judge of those people and what is in their hearts, eh?

      1. gdfg says:

        Based on my reading of the article, the lights were one of two issues with the cross. The second was the structure itself.



    5. Michael says:

      It’s about lighting at night annoying neighbors and not applying for a LEGAL permit. He’d get the same treatment if he built a lighthouse. The fact that it’s a cross has nothing to do with it. I’d tear the thing down with my bare hands if it kept me from sleeping at night.

      1. anonymous says:

        So if the moon was too bright would you tear it down too?

      2. Mike says:

        You sould remain anonymous with an idiotic questio like that.

      3. Bizarro says:

        Good comparison, your’s was an idioic post, bare hands, aren’t we brave.

      4. Simpleman says:

        “You sould remain anonymous with an idiotoc questio like that”. Hmmmm . You have the balls to comment on my typo. So what is a sould and a questio? Is that like soggy wood like your brain on medication? What about questio? Hmmmm. Maybe that’s something sexual you have been doing to your mother. I think your mother should have swallowed instead of producing such an infectious idiot like yourself.LOL What a LOSER.

      5. Mike says:

        Ha ha. I knew you would come back about the typ-o, but not say a word about the actual content of my reply. You have no answer, phonygodboy.

        Now, go back to your fat wife and have skins about once a year with her, and while your at it, stroke on the computer as you watch your “prOn” like so many closet-prOno christian’s do. LOL

    6. Matt says:

      “And may all of the inhuman atheists out there all burn in hell come judgement day.”

      I AM A CHRISTIAN AND THIS MAKES ME ILL! We are called on by Christ to love all. It is up to God to judge in the end. NOT US! Attitudes toward other cultures and religions like this one undoubtedly makes God sad for us all. This is not what he intended Christians to act like. I go to church every week, pray often, and follow the Word of God in all aspects of my daily life, but I DO NOT advertise it on my clothes, in my lawn, etc. It is MY relationship with God, no one else’s. God does not want me or anyone else to be nasty or evil in doing his bidding. Judge all you want but take time to reflect and see what people would say if they were to judge you. I know some “Christians” that are the so far off base it is comical, and I have atheist friends that know more about religion than most “Christians” I know. Everyone is entitled to their own choice. THAT IS AMERICA! Leave the judgement up to God.

      1. Matt says:

        My quote in this is from an earlier posting on here by Simpleman

      2. simpleman says:

        Save your psycho babble bs for someone who cares. Do you really think I care how I make you feel. You sound just like a milk crate minister. You know the kind. Give this man a milk crate and a microphone and all the sudden he’s a superior minister. I feel honored though that you had picked my comment to cry about. Preach to someone who actually gives a s$%t what you say.

    7. rmr797 says:

      I don’t think it’s so much about what it is, but how large and bright it is.

    8. Proud to be a non-believer. says:

      You have named yourself aptly. Simple ideas for a simple man. Modern religion has evolved with the primary purpose of controlling clueless sheep like yourself. The idea of an actual GOD is an hypothosis which lacks any verifiable evidence. I’m sorry that you base your life around fairy tales. This cross/light does not belong in a neiborhood that’s not zoned for it. I would say the same if it wasn’t a religious symbol.

      1. Kingfish says:

        Let us know when u depart this earth, oh wonderful one that tried to climb out of the primordial slim, we will be happy to urinate on your resting place.

      2. A Humble Servant says:

        God still loves you and gives you life everyday even if you don’t believe in him. He is a loving God and he wants us as Americans to stop the hate and promote his love. We are all God’s children

    9. David says:

      Hate to bring it up but most of the founding father were VERY Anti-Religious and objected to any signs of religion any were other than church property

      1. Ron says:

        Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but the White House was used by 4 different religions as a church for over a hundred years. 39 of those that signed the constitution were clergy. OOps. Don’t let facts get in your way.

    10. SlayFalseGod says:

      Simpletonman – laughing at you buddy. Guess you wont mind a Mosque on your street , huh ?

    11. Peter says:

      Isn’t that nice? A God fearing “Christian” who damns anyone who doesn’t beleive what he beleives to burn in hell. And “what is right” is all relative (adjective) isn’t it? And to call people who don’t beleive in what you beleive in are “inhuman”. This guy has some nerve! That sound like Dictatorship if you ask me…mixed with some obviouse inbreeding!

      1. simpleman says:

        Inbreeding? Hmmm. Why don’t we asks your mother about that.

    12. Simpleman says:

      No Im not.

    13. Mike says:

      @ Simpleton.

      Let’s take a look again at the nonsense you spew.

      “Here we go again. Let’s make this guy take down a religious symblo to satisfy the people who are against God.”

      That statement is not only laughable, but it is moronic, wrong, idiotic, and without any fact to support it.

      Taking it down had nothing to do with being either for or against God. To make that coment really shows supidity.

      “They are probably the same people who complain about churches having put up a nativity scene.”

      Nativity scenes erected on government property and putting up an unsafe and a nuisance of a cross on one’s own property have nothing in common and only an idiot would think otherwise. I presen to all in cyberspace, idiot Simpleman.


  6. A. Christian says:

    Since when does lawfulness fall beyond the scope of Godliness. This guy has it all wrong.

    1. Marty McFly says:

      I totally agree.

  7. Chris Dawson says:

    He only erected the Lighted crosses after his neighbors complained about his construction vehicles being parked in front of their homes. This guy is a loser. he is not a true Christian.

  8. Bizarro Mike says:

    Churches, Synagogues, and Mosques need to comply with local laws, and with common sense, and courtesy. His neighbors need to erect a illuminated Menorah, and see what his reaction is? This so-called Christian is just being a pain in everyone’s butt. He is making a great example for Christianity!. Turn the lights of, take down the crosses and get on with your lame life! Loser! How many times have you prayed to the Porcelain god? Everyone needs to write him up on

    1. Mario says:

      Oh so youre ok with a synagogue being built by someone that will take your life away in a second when youre not expecting it, right next door to be exact— you know… on american land— we ll say to keep it simple– Hmm…. and no before you reply I am missing the point— Im not– because simply put– its a real life scenario thats in the works of being done– you know it and i know it and everyone else knows it—-and since youre so hung up on the GREAT POLITICAL LAWS— Well who would have to approve this to be built? Politicians…. oh yea i forgot— the ones that take away rights and give jobs away to other countries and money in less than a millisecond to other countries but nothing to help out as much here— hmmm……… yea oooooook. Oh yea…. I forgot you said porcelain god in your paragraph— oops….. no meaning of religion I would have to say….or wait— no sorry— BUDWEISER is your religion. Oh well– No sense in going on anymore— its a loss cause anyway— Our great law makers will always win– thats until they get to a certain place later in life anyways…… Well THIS BUDS FOR YOU!! Drink UP!

      1. Mike says:

        “Oh so youre ok with a synagogue being built by someone that will take your life away in a second when youre not expecting it, right next door to be exact”

        Surely, you can’t be serious? Who are the people that build synagogues and will take your life away in a second? LOL

      2. Michael says:

        What exactly have you been ingesting? Wow.

  9. Steve says:

    Take down all the street lights ! ! ! !

    1. Mike says:

      strawman fallacy doesn’t work, Steve. And, that comment as the one below really shows how ignorant you are.

      1. Joe says:

        To call Steve ignorant shows just how obtuse you are.
        Steve’s comment was full of wit and highlights the true problem.

      2. John Doggit says:

        Steve and Joe are both nuts and probably think a strawman argument is something that happens around harvest time…

  10. STEVE says:


  11. Heather says:

    Leave the crosses up, just take the bulbs out. He could even aim dim spotlights at the crosses to illuminate them at night and still be in compliance. People can see them all day long anyways. I’m a Christian and am all for displaying Christian symbols but this is a little over the top.

  12. Roz says:

    Perhaps they could leave it up if they nail him to it…thats what a cross is for…

    1. James H says:

      Roz..why would you advocate crucifying someone??? That is what the Romans did to all those that spoke out against the Empire. The Bible tells us to live peaceable with ALL men. Even those of you that are ignorant of the Truth. But what do YOU expect when those that would have you exterminated for your beliefs or at least silenced because they are faced with the depravity of their own lives. I suspect that is the cloth you were cut from…your liberal colors are showing…Acts 4:12

      1. Peter says:

        Surely you can’t be serious? Why doesn’t your God help those starving, raped, diseased, murdered, killed children, the 2 million gassed to death (werent they Jesus’s people). Why doesnt your God help those who need him the most. Why would your God let the suffering suffer? Why would he care about some guys need to erect a wooden object adorned with xmas lights when mothers are being raped in front of their own children, or people starving to death. I mean come on. And don’t give me that stupid excuse “it’s part of God’s plan”. This is the easy OUT the bible thumpers use becasue it obsolves them of any guilt. GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!

  13. gingerboots says:

    Build a Mosque–they’ll let you do that!

    1. Mike says:

      Idiotic reply, Roz, which makes no sense what so ever.

      Gosh, there are so many stupid people in this world.

      1. Michael says:

        I thought her reply was perfect!

      2. Mike says:

        You are right, Michael. I commented about the wrong poster, sorry Roz.

  14. Dr Michael says:

    WOW It is the guys belief so whats wrong with the Cross???? If people understood what the cross represents and is all about,, this country would not be facing the issues we are now. Jesus is Lord

    We also have to follow ordinances and other laws, Im sure there is a loophole that can be found so the Cross can remain in place.

    1. Mike says:

      You really believe your own bull, Dr. Michael?

      The cross represents what you want it to represent. Others see it another way.

      People shouldn’t need crosses to lean on, but only to have a heart that shows empathy and love for others.

      1. A Believer says:

        Empathy and love for others is all in vain without Jesus Christ and the Cross. Loving others and doing good wont get you into Heaven. John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.” It also says in Matthew 10:32 says “Therefore anyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.” This man is confessing and should be left alone. I have a feeling that even if he turned off the lights, they would still want him to take it down, just like the memorial cross for the veteran’s in the middle of the Mojave desert that you have to drive miles just to see.

      2. Mike says:

        A Believer,

        I am happy that you have found a religion that makes you feel good and secure about yourself and your future… but never think it applies to everyone. It doesn’t.

      3. tubaman says:

        wont see you in the next life.have fun with the likes of Hitler, Mao,Stalin,etc.They are going to make your eternity so much fun!!!!

      4. Mike says:

        “wont see you in the next life.have fun with the likes of Hitler, Mao,Stalin,etc.They are going to make your eternity so much fun!!!!”

        I will. Thank you and have a nice day.

    2. RT says:

      Hope you’re not a diagnostician, Dr. Because the article plainly says he needs to apply for a permit, which he refuses to do. And there’s a lot wrong with a giant lighted cross in a residential neighborhood. Does length, height, lights per square foot somehow denote greater or lesser faith? Would it really diminish his faith to have a tiny wooden cross hanging from his kitchen wall?

  15. Do unto others says:

    I wish KDKA would find this guy’s pastor and church and find out what the church and pastor think of his behavior. More to the point, if he such a good christian, why isn’t he aking himself what Jesus would do. You know, love your neighbor as yourself.

    1. MARIO says:


      1. Mike says:


        First, why are you yelling?

        Second, two wrongs don’t make a right and you don’t know anything about the other neighbor.

      2. Michael says:

        Would Jesus keep his neighbor from sleeping with bright lights?

      3. RT says:

        Ummm, turn the other cheek? And then turn down the lights on your giant freakin’ cross!

    2. Do unto others says:

      Hmmmmm, let’s see what Jesus said, If a man strikes you, turn and offer him your other cheek.

  16. Mike says:

    You Christians who think you are holier than everyone else, whether those people be Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Agnostic, etc., really crack me up.

    This idiot is not doing anything for God, but for himself and is annoying his neighbor in the process.

    I love it how religious people claim to be going to heaven or their holiness, but don’t even know that their actions are not of the ways of their own lord.

    1. EB says:

      YOU sound holier than thou.

      1. Mike says:

        Sounds that way to you and maybe others, but at least I am not a hypocrite like many so-called followers of their faiths posting on this board.

    2. tubaman says:

      you are such a have no idea about what it means to be a follower of Jesus,but you will find out pretty soon what the consequences of not believing in him will be.

      1. Mike says:

        I have forgotten more about the Bible than you will ever know.

        Save your scare tactics for the other fools who believe in your nonsense. It won’t work on me.

        Use your god-crutch, I’ll be my own person.

      2. SlayFalseGod says:

        Hell would be listening to your tuba playing.
        I dont believe you are a man either.

      3. RT says:

        Ah yes, a follower of the Jesus Christ who threatens other people…

  17. A Realist says:

    Just wondering how many of the folks that don’t see a problem with this would be OK if their neighbor built a 25 foot, brightly illuminated, crescent moon and star in their front yard. I’m not in any way suggesting I’m in favor of this… I’m just saying that by your logic they would have a right to do it. I don’t know the man or the neighborhood but as a Christian it sounds to me like this guy is about as un-Christian as you can get.

    1. Scott says:

      Actually it would be a crescent moon on either side of a full moon or a pentacle. Before you go judging a religion you should become educated in what it is about. Besides you wouldn’t see that outside any Wiccan’s house, religion is personal and private and they tend to believe that.

      1. A Realist says:

        Whatever… I wouldn’t want a 25′ lighted anything…

      2. A Realist says:

        btw Scott… a crescent moon & star is the symbol of Islam… not Wican

  18. fred mertz says:

    Another idiot hiding behind religion, like those fools in the mideast.

    1. Mike says:

      I agree, Fred. There is no difference between any of them.

      1. EB says:

        Your comments are priceless.
        One after the other…just a friendly, neighborly kinda guy aren’t ya, Mike? I bet you’re the one who has all the neighborhood get-togethers. I bet you’re even on an HOA welcoming-committee.
        Or, you might be the guy who speeds through school zones, tailgaits in rush hour traffic (then flips everyone off who doesn’t get out of your way). and can’t understand why everyone in the neighborhood avoids you.

      2. Mike says:


        You don’t know me from Adam’s off ox.

        In fact, because I am a neighbor who would never put up a blinding 25 foot cross in my yard and shine the lights directly into my neighbor’s home is all the reason why I do throw block parties.

        It is called being respectful towards your neighbors. It is called having empathy (if you know what that means).

        Carl does not. And anyone who defends this moron is a moron themselves.

  19. annie says:

    Wake up! They OWN us with their of licensing, environmental laws, greenie laws,…some man had to close his barber shop because he forgot to renew his license. We don’t even own our own property because if we don’t pay it we’re thrown out on the street. You think you have rights? Think again!

    I wish this man good luck and salute him for taking a stand on his “own property”.

    1. Mike says:

      Annie, everything you posted in your reply doesn’t make sense and is not the issue. The issue is there is an idiot who wants to “blare” his cross into his neighbor’s home and cause them grief.

      Yeah, right, that is the Christian way to treat your neighbor [sarcasm].

      1. EB says:

        Wow! This is exactly what I mean about you and your comments. You are speaking hypocritically…talking out of both sides of your mouth here, man. You get on here blasting anyone and everyone who disagrees with you…whom most don’t even reply to you…just here to comment. Then, you call ppl morons, fools, idiots, etc. Say horrible things about Christians and anyone who makes a simple defense of this man whether it’s his Christianity or no mention of his religion at all. Hypocrit. You can judge all you want…you can blast me all you want…as you did above…but, from your comments, your rantings, your name-calling, and your flagrant rudeness, you’re no better than what you’re accusing Carl of…which in comparison to your hateful rants, I’d rather have him next door than you!!!! YOU are what you are throwing at him and others here. Get a grip on your emotions.

  20. smith says:

    To all you people claiming communism, give me a break! He is violating local laws. Building permits are there for a reason. Public safety. Would you like this guy’s cross to fall on your car at night or your child walking home from school because it isn’t properly supported?

  21. To mike says:

    You are just another blind idiot. Talk about judging. I bet you are one of the first ones to kick and scream when the planes hit the buildings saying “waaaaaaa they should all die”. Give me a break stupid. Check the constitution about freedom of religion. That only applies to only some religions like islam and certainly not christianity.

    1. Mike says:

      Your ignorance is abound.

      I find no joy in any person’s death, whether family, friend, or foe.

      We are not talking about his freedom of religion and rights here, we are talking about a public nuisance blaring light into his neighbor’s home.

      There are all types of rights and there are building codes which promote safety and harmony between neighbors.

      I lived in a community where 8 foot fences weren’t allowed to be constructed, That was the law. Change 8 foot fences to 8 foot crosses – no difference.

      It is idiots like you who give your own religion a bad name.

      He has all the freedom in the world to be a Christian as he wants to, but he can’t infringe upon his neighbor’s right to not be blinded by his non-sensical 25 foot cross.

  22. jgants says:

    if everyone seems that this big punk is right why don’t you put a cross in your yard and see what happens or why don’t you jerks go out to country and live together and put up all the crosses you want, or maybe that lady will sell her house to you and live across the st to this jerk!

  23. To mike says:

    Duh. Blah blah blah. Duh. Blah blah blah. Hahaha.

    1. Mike says:

      That is all you got because you have nothing.

      Debat over with you, you lose.

  24. To mike again says:

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Hahahahahahahahaha. Stupid.

    1. Michael says:

      Grow up.

  25. GSC says:

    1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    1. Dr. Blatherwell says:

      People that believe in god are delusional. People that believe god talks to them are mentally ill. People that act on the messages from their unseen imaginary friend are psychotic and may be dangerous.

      1. Rowdy Boots says:

        People who call other people names because they believe in God are just witless, uneducated derelicts.

        Don’t tell me you went to college, that is where most idiots are bred.



      2. Steven J Anderson says:

        i dont care who talks to the guy, its his property

      3. Michael says:

        The property his bright lights are shining in the windows of isn’t his.

      4. Worried Human says:

        Oh my God! Get over it! It’s just an expression that we say b/c as children you are beating to believe in a God and so the expression spins from its importance.

        Geez, get a brain and think for your self

      5. Watchman says:

        Hey Michael, if you don’t like the view, just change the channel or shut it off!
        (excuse me, I meant to say, Pull the shades!)

      6. Mike says:

        I shouldn’t have to change my ways – leaving my window open – because an idiot like Carl wants to shine 100s of lightbulbs at my bedroom window.

        It is scary that there are so many ignorant and biased-minded people posting on this blog. I thinkt he blame goes towards a lack of education or some serously inept parenting skills.

      7. SlayFalseGod says:

        hate to say it but the religion Of Love – Christianity – has become one of the most intolerant and hate filled groups in America.
        Cling to your guns and religion and pedophile priest’s …..
        Hateful people – is it no wonder America is on its knee’s.

      8. To slay says:

        SO are you. Go suck off your satan.

      9. Radar says:

        The Bible has not changed in 2000 years but men’s thinking has. There are about 13 words in the Bible that have been changed in all these years. But those changes do not take away from the meaning. Get your facts right.

        Christianity is not intolerant, man is. The hate filled groups in America are the liberals who hate Christians and Jews because they sand for something whereas liberals don’t. I’ll cling to my guns because that is the only thing liberals understand. Yep there are pedophile priests in the Catholic religion because they are not Christian in that they worship man made idols rather than Jesus Himself. That is unless they put Jesus first and the pope second. Then they have some hope. God bless you in your self centeredness.

      10. Mike says:

        @ Radar,

        So, you are saying that liberals cannot be Christians? LOL

      11. TO MIKEHUNT says:

        Hmmmm. Like yourself..

      12. Team AMERICA says:

        Mike, you are working against the U.S. Constitution and against the residents of Baldwin Borough. This is the United States of America, and like it or not, the People are free and have rights.

        If Baldwin carries out their threat, then they will have violated more of the U.S. Constitution than just the First Amendment.

        Therefore, I hope in earnest that Baldwin backs off this now. However, if they choose to continue on this path, then so be it. I have offered to take them on, pro bono, and they would certainty have to settle this out of court.

        Baldwin shall not be allowed to further dismantle the U.S. Constitution.

        If Baldwin makes the wrong decision here, even an out of court settlement will impact the residents of Baldwin in one way or another.

        A word to the wise: Baldwin residents should act now, contact their elected officials and tell them they had better not attempt to violate the Consitutional rights of another resident.

      13. Jeff says:

        Our country is in disrepair. Because it is NOT his property if he does not, or cannot, pay his taxes.

        It is the state’s property.

        And that is a fundamental “wrongship” with the condition of our country.

      14. Mike says:

        He doesn’t have the right to shine blinding lights into his neighbor’s windows.

        Case closed, Jeffie boy.

      15. Bullet says:

        Dr. With respect for what you think you believe. Have you ever said, “oh my god” or “god help him”, or “g__ d___”? if so, I believe that you don’t believe what you are trying to convince yourself you do believe. If there is no God creator then how do you explain “YOU”? Please in thinking about this break yourself down to the most basic level. How could any living being “be” with out a life giver or a God? If your answer is evolution then please use your God given intelligence to really investigate and see if you can find even one piece of “provable evidence” that is not subjective which proves this THEORY. A theory that even Darwin denounced without tangible provable evidence. I have a theory: “every single human being will someday acknowledge a belief in God.” If my theory is correct, many are in jeopardy. I hope not you If I’m wrong but in my worng I strive to live as God asks me to then all I’ve done is good. What could be wrong with that? The problem isn’t the God I believe in, it is human beings taking wrong actions based on their incorrect interpretation of God’s will. Because of this many simply give up and say “I don’t believe in something” when they really mean, they don’t like it. Personally I think it takes a far greater faith to believe there is no God than to believe, IF you truly do not believe, I compliment you on your abilities of faith.

      16. Mike says:

        Hey Bullet,

        If we didn’t evolve, and were created by a God, who created God?

        Also, nice way to take the conversation about this idiot and his blaring lights on a cross oft topic.

      17. Bullet says:

        Mike, “WHO CREATED GOD?” – I know the answer but you would not believe me so feel free to ask Him when you get your chance. My response was directly on subject by the way, sorry you missed it. I’ll make another attempt for you with only that part of my comment as follows: “The problem isn’t the God I believe in, it is human beings taking wrong actions based on their incorrect interpretation of God’s will.” Hope this helped to clear it up for you. In closing, Mike I completely understand your having a problem with religion when you try to combine it with God, He hates religion.

      18. Mike says:

        I respect your respect, Bullet, but no one knows the origin of the univserse.

        it is what you and others believe.

        There have been many people who have truly believed in what they thought was real or right since the beginning of civilization.

        To me, God is a human made being.

        I don’t need a God or a “way” of God to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I know what is in my heart and that is good enough for me.

        This Carl guy is a moron and a nuisance to his neighbor. A man that call himself a Christian or whatever, but is nothing more than a self-centered moronic fool.

      19. Bullet says:

        Mike, thanks for the respect and acknowledgement of mine. Glad you have a heart that somehow from somewhere lets you you know right from wrong. Sincere wishes for you in finding that root source.
        I believe you are right that someone who truly lives the TRUE Christian life would never have this lighted cross. I certainly will not call them personal names but then again, like all the others on here, I certainly do not possess your great intelligence so I’ll back away and hope that someday you meet someone capable of imparting their wisdom on you should you ever find one that is more intelligent and capable. I believe that will happen, I just hope it doesn’t come too late for you.

      20. Mike says:


        Please don’t concern yourself about me. I find that condenscending and in poor tasted. I don’t have to find any “root source.” What is in my heart is a result of both my genetics and upbringing.

        I will call people names when they so deserve it, and that idiot Carl, deserves it.

        I believe that in your own Bible, Christ called people the names they deserved. If it is good enough for him, it’s good enough for me.

        I don’t pretend to possess “great intelligence.” I believe that life is a journey of continued learning and that is how one becomes wise.

        Don’t hope for any one imparting their wisdom on me… I allow that to happen every day of my life and is why I am where I am at now, today.

      21. Tom says:

        well there it is folks, proof that God does not exist. if Dr. Blatherwell declares it so, then it is so. Following a creator is stranger than following this guy who uses a fake name over the internet? Hmmm. Have we really become this stupid a people?

    2. Joe says:

      Dearest Dr. Blatherwell
      People that do not believe in God are delusional. People that don’t believe God can talk to them are mentally ill. People that don’t act on the messages from their unseen friend are psychotic and are very dangerous.

      1. Michael says:

        Nice opinion. That’s all it is.

      2. kookoo says:

        Religion is just so silly. If I told you I prayed to a guy named Jack at the end of a beanstalk, you would call me crazy. But you pray to a guy who walked on water and you’re perfectly normal. Both are fictional characters in a book and you’re nuts to believe in either.

    3. Worried Human says:

      Joe – I know you are but what I am I?

    4. fungible says:

      People “that” use “that” in place of “who” have their own special place on the short bus.

    5. Joe says:

      Worried Human
      Ahh… You are obviously a Marxist Liberal.

      1. Worried Human says:

        Wow, you really jumped to conclusions there didn’t you? Actually I am of neither party, I am somewhere in the middle. But I really like how you can take a comment that was meant to point out how little you were actually contributing to the story and turn that person into a Marxist?

        What’s even better is, Dr. Blatherwell is right. Religion is for the most part the major reason for war on this planet (other than oil but that’s another story). If there was no religion then I believe it would be a much more peaceful place. Kind of ironic don’t you think, that when religion preaches peace but wages war in the name of peace, that if it wasn’t here at all…. it would be a more peaceful world.

      2. Tracy Gross says:

        If there were NO religion there wold also be almost NO hospitals, universities (Harvard was started as a seminary, do a little research hun;) Q: How many people were killed during the Inquisitions? A: 3,00 AGAIN! The ignorance on religious issues of John Q. Public in America NEVER ceases to amaze me!

      3. Tracy Gross says:

        sorry 3,000

      4. ithappensthatway says:

        More people have died in the name of a loving god then for any other reason.

      5. spock says:

        intersting lie, WW2 and 1 was not about GOD, neither was Vietnam or Korea

        Oh and also neither are the Terrorists they are just using religion as a scapegoat.

      6. Mike says:

        WW2 was about what Hitler thought was God when it came to which race could be saved and which race couldn’t or shouldn’t.

        Besides that, Non_spock, there were countless wars in the name of religion, cherry-picking a few means nothing but the display of your biased and ignorant mind.

    6. Michael says:

      That power doesn’t have to be 110 volts.

  26. A Realist says:

    The number of hypocrites claiming to be Christians these days just amazes. We were better off before it bacame fashionable again.

  27. Mike says:

    I also find it to be quite humorous that some of you are replying with this “communism” nonsence.

    No, buidling codes are there for a purpose and has nothing to do with a form of government, but you ignorant Yinzer people keep on being as ignorant as you are and keep on electing idiot mayors like Luke while you are still at it. LOL

  28. Lauren says:

    1st, I would buy blackout shades unless I had proof the guy was doing a publicity or prickly stunt. It’s his property. 2nd @Mike : You’re sounding like a grumpy ol’ troll, dude. Everyone has a right to voice their opinions & don’t need that regulated, too. Smile more ~ Live longer.

    1. Mike says:

      The neighbor shouldn’t have to purchase anything to counter the infringement upon him or her.

      Sorry to disappoint you, Lauren, but I am neither grumpy or trolling, just amazed at the stupid and idiotic comments posted here… which does provide me amusement at the same time.

    2. Michael says:

      I like to sleep with my windows open for fresh air (with a screen). Black-out blinds would not help. I shouldn’t have to take drastic steps to make my home comfortable because my neighbor is being rude and neither should this guy’s neighbors.

      Would Jesus keep his neighbors awake at night with bright lights? I doubt it.

    3. RT says:

      Someone once said that your right to swing your fist ends at my nose. This schmuck violated everyone’s rights when he refused to get a permit to erect his cross. What part of that do you not understand?

  29. Dutra says:

    The city fathers would run from a lighted Muslim crescent.

  30. Jeff says:

    The ordinance states if deemed a “nuisance” –
    I ask, then, WHY is it a nuisance?
    Does it interfere with air traffic?
    Does the light always shine in neighbors windows?
    Does it blind people driving into a curve at night?

    If it IS a nuisance situation like that… then the town is in the right…
    if it is NOT a nuisance… and only someone’s esoteric philosophy being blown on…
    then GO, CARL, GO!!!

    1. Mike says:

      It’s a nuisance as deemed by law, Jeff.

      It’s a nuiscance because the neighbor has to put up with blinding light from a structure that did not meet the code.

      It has nothing to do with philosophy, but common sense.

      Respect your neighbor, Jeff. How about that for something simple to do.

  31. Irish67 says:

    If he is such a Christian, he should understand that you give unto Ceasar the things that are Ceasars. Jesus knew that faith does not preempt following of the law. He is in violation of both the local law, and Christs teachings.

    What an idiot.

    1. Jeff says:

      That is why the term SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE exists.

      The Founding Father’s wrote that in the Bill of Rights to protect the INDIVIDUALS right to religion and religious expression.

      NOT give the state the ability to erase religion from all lands.

      First Amendment:
      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Fourth Amendment:
      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      Do your thing Carl. The Constitution is doubly on your side.

  32. Samsonsays says:

    If it was a symbol of any other religion, there wouldn’t be an issue! CHRISTians are attacked constantly and I for one, am tired of it! I hope this guy wins and gets to keep up the CROSS! JESUS RULES!!! <

    1. Mike says:


      It has nothing to do wth it begin a cross, but the blinding light. Get it? i don’t think you do or ever will.

      Muslims rule!

      1. Simpleman says:

        @ Mike
        “It begin a cross”? Uhh Ohh. Here is the stupidity again. Hurry! Take your medication or maybe just relax with a nice game on your xbox while mommy rubs your belly.

    2. Michael says:

      How’s it feel to have the shoe on the other foot?

    3. RT says:

      Christians are always whining. Common sense should rule that a giant lighted cross in a residential neighborhood is a nuisance not a symbol of faith.

  33. Jd says:

    Did any of his neighbors complain? If no one living within immediate eyeshot has a problem then what issue is there with someone putting up a cross on private property? People live in cities surrounded by bright lights yet somehow THIS is a problem…if a Confederate flag flies in someone’s yard, they are not outlawed from flying it- how is a lit cross any different? It’s not a searchlight aimed at a bedroom window- if it was then the story would reference neighborhood complaints.
    In Lima, Peru there is an incredible, brightly lit cross that can be seen for miles. No one has a problem and it can be seen by hundreds of thousands. Here a guy does the same thing on a vastly smaller scale without neighborhood complaint and is antagonized by religious sensitivity gone amok. If you have a problem with your neighbor- work it out. As for the “lighting ordinance” just passed, who defines “nuisance”? Understand the intent but without a clear standard, can be easily manipulated to violate rights of expression and private property.
    Could the Muslim call to prayer I hear on occassion not violate my sense of hearing if this cross violates someone’s sense of sight? Outlaw that if you outlaw this.

    1. Mike says:

      “Did any of his neighbors complain?”

      Yes, the neighbor that has to put up with the blinding light into her home every night that stupid cross is lit up.

      As for your other comments – two wrongs don’t make a right and call to prayer is not coming from a private home. That would be me saying that the local church bells blaring every morning is violating my rights, it is not.

      1. Jd says:

        Pls cite where in the story you read a neighbor complained. Does this guy even have neighbors? None are specified…

        As for your church argument- yes church bells do not sounding from a home, but pls differentiate between what private property is and is not. If you went to your town council and asked for an ordinance banning noise emission above a certain decibel level, it could be signed to law…and the bells would cease.

        The bottom line is that at some point the rights of an individual infringe on the rights of others…the argument you can make is that this lighting ordinance reflects the will of an elected body which in turn reflects the will of the town. My counter argument is that this episode typifies the problem in America of government increasingly over-reaching and inserting itself in places individuals could + should regulate.

      2. Mike says:

        JD, you should read more than one article about this. Yes, the neighbor who happens to be in the direction of the aimed and blaring lights from this moron is complaining, as she should do.

        How about if your neighbor builds a light tower on his property and shines the light directily into your bedroom… sure, tell me it would be okay and then realize you are then lying to yourself.

        We have zoning laws, building permits, etc., all in place to keep idiotic neighbors from infringing on our rights.

        With rights come responsibilities – the two cannot be separate.

        Carl is responsible for adhering to buildiing codes and ordinates and from not being a nuisance to his neighbor.

        If you can’t understand that, give up.

      3. Jd says:

        Mike- If the guy is being a nuisance (as your research indicates) and refuses to accommodate those around him, then of course he is wrong. My argument is based on the story painting this as a clash between town council and individual…I think this should be handled without gov’t regulation by a simple discussion between neighbors (if any exist). If that was tried and the guy puts himself ahead of others, then he is a jerk and undermines the Christian symbol he seeks to further. Please understand in others arguments that the story’s limitations affect commentary…I personally could care less about this episode- it is the underlying friction between Gov’t vs Individual Rights that interests.

    2. Michael says:

      No `complaints? How do you think the city council found out about it? Telepathy?

      1. Jd says:

        The only telepathy would be your inference from facts not stated. Neither of us know what drove the lighting ordinance and any preconceived notion you have is just that.

      2. Michael says:

        You made an assumption, but I can’t? Nice double standard.

      3. Jd says:

        What are you talking about? I am going straight from the story…what “assumption” do you refer to- that the city council did indeed use telepathy to find out? There are literally an infinite number of maybes that could have driven the council’s ordinance (vengeful town member, different episode involving light, rand coincidence, etc)…when you stray from facts presented and introduce your interpretation, whose case are you invalidating?

  34. pugfest says:

    That is the best comment yet Lauren. I agree!

  35. John Gersper says:

    Maybe this is why they talk about the 144,000. Maybe in the end that is all the Christians that will be left on the Earth when Jesus and his billions return for them. Christianity will be purged from the Earth and our schools and churches will not exist. God Bless those that stay strong and believe.

    1. Michael says:

      What does that have to do with keeping someone awake with bright lights?

  36. joebob says:

    Am I the only one who is disturbed at how Christians worship a instrument of pain and torture? If Jesus was executed today, would Christians wear an electric chair around their necks? Would we pass by steeples and see, not a cross, but a hypodermic needle representing execution? I know one thing is certain, if Jesus did come back, the last thing he would want to see is a cross, a symbol of his torture.

    1. Jarhead68 says:

      Channelling Jesus…what a concept. Shirley McLain would be proud of you. ROFLMAO….

    2. John Doggit says:

      LOL, that’s a good one.

  37. Scott says:

    His neighbors should put up big lighted signs of some kind and then see what he says. If he complains, then he’s a hypocrite.

  38. Mel says:

    Too bad he is not a Muslim, Then, the ACLU would be assisting him.

    1. A Realist says:

      Mel, you’re probably right because they would have to. All you have to do is read the comments here to see the prejudice against Muslims. We need to quit living in fear of them.

      Having said that… bring on the name calling… that seems to be the typical Muslim haters response.

  39. Habib says:

    Get your permit and start construction on the worlds biggest Mosque! Build it and they will come…

  40. tim says:

    How is it affecting his neighbor’s property? As long as it is not in his neighbor’s property he should be able to keep it. What happened to property rights?

    1. PACoug says:


      Dude, it’s about sensory assault. putting bright exterior lights into your neighbors’ windows at all hours of the night is an obnoxious nuisance. The city should compromise here: let him keep the crosses, and light them up to his heart’s content UNTIL 8:30 P.M. and then it’s lights out for the sake of the neighbors and their kids getting some sleep.

      Same reason we have after-hours noise ordinances. Turn the music down after bedtime.

  41. Joe says:

    A lighted cross equals a ‘scream’? Wow…
    According to YOUR reasoning; Your comments are offending me. Therefore you should be thrown into jail and fined.
    btw- the Bible also says you should pray ‘without ceasing’. Reconcile that with your reasoning. But I digress… This cross is not this man’s ‘prayers’. I’m sure this guy might complain if someone displayed in their yard a cross in a jar of urine (calling it ‘art’) but he would not say he thought they should not have the freedom to do it if they chose.

    -This USED to be a free nation. Oh how we have fallen…

  42. Bartholomew says:

    Nobody ever did it better than MC 900ft Jesus.

  43. Mike says:

    It’s not that it is a cross, and that is what some of you idiots don’t understand.

    It’s a structure that does not meet code.

    It is lighted and that light is a nuiscance to a neighbor’s home.

    It has nothing to do with his religious freedoms.

  44. kwl88 says:

    How far away are the neighbors from the lights? Are Xmas lights not allowed?

    Seems to me that a compromise solution can be reached so that he doesn’t have to completely destroy his lighted Crosses while not having the light be too bright to his immediate neighbors.

    There case solved Everybody Happy! Next…..

    1. Mike says:

      Christmas lights are not the issue, kwl88.

      What if that erected structure, which he didn’t have a permit for fell on your head or one of your children’s head, killing you or one of your children?

      You wouldn’t be saying, “there case solved. Everybody Happy! Next…”

  45. Jarhead68 says:

    OK, here’s a better debate issue re: private property…Let’s say you own a shopping center and you want to make some extra cash by renting parking space at night to truckers or contractors who need a place to keep their vehicles over night because they can’t park them on residential streets. Do you think it is appropriate for the town to tell you that you cannot do that? It’s private property, it harms no one, yet towns on Long Island forbid you from using your private property in this manner. Anyone out there have a valid defense for government overreach like this?

    1. Mike says:

      Nice try to bring up a strawman fallacy, Jarhead68.

      The fact is and the only issue this is about is – the man erected and object without a permit and the object is a nuisance to his neighbor.

      It has nothing to do about your scenario, which is for a different debate at a different time and place.

    2. Michael says:

      It would be a problem if those trucks shined their headlights into someone’s bedroom window! That’s what this is about!

  46. Hank Warren says:

    This is all about limiting Free Speech. After all, censorship is everywhere. The gov’t (and their big business cronies) censor free speech, shut down dissent and ban the book “America Deceived II”. Free speech for all.
    Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:

    1. Mike says:

      It has nothing to do with free speech rights. Obviously, you just don’t get it, Hank.

  47. Eli says:

    What if your neighbor left his giant inflatable Santa up in Mid February?

    1. Sea says:

      If it’s not determined to be profane, what a property owner has on his property, should be his decision. I’d have no problem with an inflatable Santa in anothers’ yard. No skin off my nose. Government, from cities to Federal, are becoming more intrusive day by day.

    2. Tomas57 says:

      Good for him. I’ll look at the Santa all year round.

      The guy is making a point about property rights.

      I say, you go Carl. The town is acting like a Homeowners Association. And we all know how those things work.

  48. Holier Than Thou Nutjob says:

    “I’ll be an annoying in-your-face prick and drag down everyone else’s property values in the name of JESUS!”

  49. Joe says:

    You like to drink coffee in the morning,
    The smell drifts over to me.
    I hate the smell of coffee.
    Therefore you should be fined.

    Oh yeah, and you drive a Yugo.
    That makes my house look trashy.
    Therefore you should be fined.

  50. robertg says:

    “The lighting ordinance allows us to place restrictions on residential lighting that would be deemed a nuisance,” Baldwin Borough Manager John Barrett said.

    I’m sure the liberals will consider the 1st amendment a nuisance.

    1. Michael says:

      Nice try.. and fail…

  51. Jeff says:

    That is why the term SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE exists.

    The Founding Father’s wrote that in the Bill of Rights to protect the INDIVIDUALS right to religion and religious expression.

    NOT give the state the ability to erase religion from all lands.

    First Amendment:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Fourth Amendment:
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Do your thing Carl. The Constitution is doubly on your side.

    1. Michael says:

      No it isn’t… he broke a local ordinance pertaining to safe structures. Have you looked at that picture? I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near it if the wind picks up, and his poor neighbor can’t sleep because of the light! Where are her rights?

  52. Heriberto Suarez says:

    Guys, guys…. The most important command in Christianity is to love God above all else. The second one is love your neighbor. I am sure, that they can reach an agreement that could make happy both, the cross owner and his neighbor. Turn off the light at some hour, use another type of illumination, even move the cross to another part of the property. He should talk to his neighbors and reach and agreement, and most definitely should try to get a permit. Him reaching an agreement with the neighbors will greatly improve his ability to get it. God be with you all.

  53. frank says:

    Hey Doc
    I can’t prove there is a God but you can’t prove there isn’t one

    1. illmunkeys says:

      Zeus could be turning into bulls and ravishing young ladies still… I can’t disprove him. Your argument is a fallacy called proving non-existence: when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn’t exist (e.g., prove God doesn’t exist; prove UFO’s haven’t visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

      1. Joe says:

        Well said however, why must I prove anything to anyone?
        I simply invite all to share in the same joy I have found.

      2. Michael says:

        If they choose to… otherwise, keep it to yourself.

      3. Mike says:

        People have found joy in many other ways, Joe. Ways, such as: other religions, booze, dope, friendship, loved ones, shows, etc.

    2. superangrymonkey says:

      That would be proving a negative. The burden of proof is on you Frank

    3. Mike says:

      Hey Frank,

      I can’t prove there are little green men from Mars, but you can’t prove they don’t exist. Therefore, they exist.

      1. ezekiel says:

        are you stupid? so because i can’t prove something it must be true? i can’t prove you’re not a fat child porn watching hollow christian – therefore you are one.

      2. Mike says:

        That can be proven or disproven. Try again.

      3. Mike says:

        that was for ezekiel

    4. Bartholomew says:

      This is why the only rational choice is to be agnostic.

      1. Mike says:

        Amen to that, Bart. Or, being a Buddhist since they don’t infringe on other religious beliefs.

    5. nellas says:

      technically, we cannot prove his existence. that alone, ignorantly proposes that we attain the power to show God at our own will. God alone will show himself. The next time he shows himself will be glorious, but when it is time again, it grieves me to know that many will be serving another

  54. stargirl says:

    the town has streetlights which shine into peoples’ windows.
    are they nuisances too?
    no, because the streetlights are for safety.
    this man is also promoting safety, at his own expense.

    1. Mike says:

      Streetlights aren’t aimed at people’s home, stargirl. He isn’t promoting safety. He is promoting is arrogance, stubborness, lack of empathy for his neighbor, lack of humbleness, pride, etc…. all of the virtues preached by Christ, right? LOL

      1. John Doggit says:

        stargirl, seriously? he’s promoting safety? You know perfectly well that he’s doing it to be a J@cka$$. His intent is to bother his neighbors.

    2. Michael says:

      Those lights were put up legally.

      1. Jeff says:

        They were not PUT UP illegally… they were deemed illegal AFTER THE FACT.

      2. Michael says:

        I was talking about the street lights.

  55. Mike says:

    Jeff is another ignorant poster who doesn’t get that this issue has nothing to do with Carl’s religious freedoms.

    Okay Jeff, I guess you would condone Westboro Baptists to come to one of your loved ones funeral and petition it with signs like “Your loved one is going to hell” “God killed your son, Jeff and he deserved it!” Screaming thses messages while you are burying your loved one… sure, Jeff.

    1. Jeff says:

      Not really. I have no faith in the current state of the “church” aka churchians who approach god today as if it were a club. God is all but gone in this country. Sure… the term God, and Jesus, are used reverently, But one would listen to nothing if you asked someone Why? The actual reality of LIVING like you front is gone.

      Now, back to the matter at hand… WHO said anything about a neighbor complaining about light? The article did not. The video did not.

      Mike, please add a hyperlink to the facts you blow!

      The city is seemingly changing the rules to make his crosses fall under the new UPCOMING ordinances. So, what that means is… apparently 2 months ago he was all legal. But someone who knows someone… complained. So the city now deems him illegal. Protect your rights CARL!

      1. Jeff says:

        The whole article revolves around a new lighting ordinance… not a lighting complaint.

      2. Mike says:

        Do your own homework, Jeff. It is common knowledge that Carl’s neighbor first complained about good ol’ Carl being a nuisance with his trucks. Then, Carl erected a cross with lights aimed right at that same neighbor’s house.

        That is fact. Find it out for yourself. Google is a wonderful thing.

    2. Jeff says:

      And, Mike, I’d wager a few bucks on who’s IQ is higher.
      By the way… your calling me “ignorant” simply proves yours.

      1. Mike says:

        Wager what you want, Jeffie.

        My IQ’s higher than yours is.
        My dad’s stronger than your dad.

        And.. I see that you are childish too. LOL

      2. Michael says:

        Your? How about you’re? Who’s ignorant?

      3. Jeff says:

        You are a poser. I remained civil… and YOU started the name calling you neandertal.

      4. Mike says:

        Hey Jeff, what is a neandertal? LOL

    3. Michael says:

      He also can’t read.

      1. Jeff says:


      2. Jeff says:

        Oh… I made a typo…. waaa….. funny how your brain was still able to ascertain the meaning of my sentence.
        This is a blog… cropping and pasting occur and typos happen.

        See yours…
        Mike states… and I quote “Screaming thses messages while you are burying your loved one… sure, Jeff”

        It is THESE, Mike, not thses.

      3. Michael says:

        Scroll up.

      4. Michael says:

        A swing and a miss. I was referring to your reply to me about lights being put up legally. You read illegally where I typed legally and thought I was talking about the lights on the cross, not the streetlights.

      5. Jeff says:

        Scroll down.

      6. Jeff says:

        I believe the streetlight remarks began in this blogoshpere… not the article.

      7. Michael says:

        Are you standing on your head? Or do you have your computer upside down?

  56. jimmy seven says:

    If he was a muslim and had the word KORAN in lights, no one would complain.

    1. Michael says:

      They would if those lights kept them awake at night and the structure was erected illegally.

  57. Smooter says:

    This is actually in my neighborhood. Simple solution, take the bulbs off, or only run them to a certain hour, say 9 PM? Personally a big believer in what you do on your property is your business, just don’t bug those around you with it…

  58. Mike says:

    “If he was a muslim and had the word KORAN in lights, no one would complain”

    I am certain his neighbor would complain all the same. It’s not the symbol of the cross, jimmy, it is the blaring lights.

  59. Seeking balance says:

    A 25 foot lighted ANYTHING is excessive, particularly if it’s facing someone else’s home. If he doesn’t want to take them down, bring them up to code and TURN THEM TOWARDS HIS HOME! This would resolve the issue..

  60. John Doggit says:

    Unfortunately, your comments do little to help your Chirstian friends. This nut is purposely annoying his neighbors and that isn’t very Christianlike at all. Since you’re so fond of pulling obscure justifications from the Bible, maybe you should think about when God told the people that hypocrites have to display their faith by making a scene in public. I believe he said to go home and pull the blinds and pray in private. But what difference does it make really? Religious nuts like you will find a justification to annoy everyone anyway. You’re no different than the Muslim wackos.

  61. let's talk says:

    Mr Behr,
    If you are truely Christian, then just ask yourself….What would Jesus do?

  62. To mike again says:

    Go suck off your allah, kill more babies and then eat a gun muslim.

    1. Mike says:

      Obviously, you have never read about the Christian crusades and how men, women, and their children were tortured if they didn’t accept the Christian faith.

      Killing in the name of God is found in most all relgions.

      1. Jeff says:

        Except that was the Middle Ages and the Muslims are still doing it TODAY!

      2. Matthias says:

        Jeff must have never heard of a place called Bosnia and the killings between the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland or the countless of murderers who claim God called them to perform the murders.

  63. Adheeb says:

    Although I am a Christian and sympathize with Mr. Mehr’s motivation … I really don’t have a dog in this fight. This type of situation reveals the fact that “private property”, even here in America, is a myth. If they want your property they can come and take it anytime. If you don’t pay taxes, they can take it … if they want to turn your property into a golf course, they can take it. If you think you own it, then you aren’t thinking very well.

    The is not only true of our property but our person. When you become old and unproductive, just like a cow they’re gonna come and put you to sleep. Just wait and see.

  64. Robertf says:

    I agree. And why would Muslims in Detroit and elsewhere insist on having minarets LOUDLY calling muslims to prayer 5 times a day, and FORCING their neighbors to listen to this noise pollution? I suppose the muslim will claim it is the will of allah to force everyone to listen!!!

    1. Mike says:

      Church bells do the same thing.

  65. Paul says:

    If this man erected a giant crescent and happened to be a Muslim, I’ll bet the ACLU would defend him for free and the city would pretty much leave him alone. It’s a double standard because of sick, twisted, self-hating, white guilt-ridden progressive/liberals who wish to kow tow to the religion of death. The irony is that the Islamic radicals will kill all progressives first because they don’t believe in anything but their one true religion of “climate change”

  66. Tom2058 says:

    Would you be so quick to claim first amendment rights if it was some other religon’s symbol such as a jewish cross, devils cross, Islam’s moon and star, or something more hateful like a swaztika or a burning cross?
    When that light hits his neighnors property, they have crossed (pardon the pun) the lne into someone else’s rights.

  67. William Bobbitt says:

    You are Muslim right or do not believe in God!

  68. B. Miller says:

    If Mr. Behr has a 25 acre lot, I would understand his concern but if he has a 1/2 acre lot, then yes. A 25 foot lighted cross would be a problem. I used to drive on a freeway that had a 25 foot lighted cross on a church’s land.. but it was high up on a estimated 3 mile high mountain

  69. Tim Patterson says:

    Oh My God people, are you all that insane?

    Did anyone really READ this, or are you all to blind to realize that it’s a 25-FOOT CROSS

    Put a damn cross up, who cares, but put it within the city ordinance, plain and simple. This has nothing to do with “your lord” or “your god”, but more about ignorance.

    1. Mike says:

      Right on, Tim… but your words are falling on deaf ears.

  70. Rowdy Boots says:

    When is America going to respect religions other than Islam?

    Who votes for these IDIOTS and puts them in office?

    You who do, deserve ridicule.



  71. Trever says:

    Wow, instead of putting up a totally classless lighted version of something I hold sacred, maybe I could try to cease not teaching and preaching Jesus Christ as the disciples did in Acts 5.42. I just think there are more effective ways of preaching the God of Love.

  72. Clint says:

    Christianity=The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree…

  73. FinanceBuzz says:

    Great example of how property rights are at risk. The ONLY rationale for this person not being able to put up a lighted cross is if it truly, reasonably causes a nuisance to neighbors. That nuisance does NOT include whether they are offended, don’t like it, etc. Only if the cross poses a legitimate infringement on the neighbors’ right to use and enjoy their property. That is the ONLY valid reason for removal. If such a legitimate nuisance does not apply, then this man should stand his ground and I applaud his determination. It is long past time that we take a strong stand in this nation in favor of our eroding property rights!

    1. Mike says:


      It is a nuisance to his neighbor as the lights are aimed at their bedroom window.

      Why doesn’t Carl just turn the lights towards his own bedroom window?

  74. Chris says:

    These idiots only support his keeping the cross because they like the symbol itself, but would oppose it otherwise. Hypocrisy never deserves respect. It is the bane of civilized discourse.

    But some people are too ignorant to understand even that. America has the citizenry it deserves — I just hope we raise our expectations a bit.

  75. Steven J Anderson says:

    IF YOU PEOPLE LIVED IN THE FREE REPUBLIC OF ARIZONA you wouldnt care one bit. BUT since you live in a police state, i.e. pitt, and it is a pit, you think you have some sort of right to determine what someone does with their own property, in some towns in our free repbulic, we dont even have zoning laws, thats the way we like it and anyone that moves here better get used to it

    1. Matt says:

      Let me know how that goes out there in the “great” state of snowbirds that is Arizona. Let me know what you think when Wal-Mart builds next to your house or God- forbid and adult toy store. Bet you would be wishing those zoning laws were in place. By the way, we as a country should not base any decision off of what Arizona does. They consist of a retired population of Reaganites that helped bring our country to its knees economically. Reagen and Nixon helped the government grow into the “big” government that we know it as. I’m a Republican and proud of it so DO NOT attack me for being a “Lib”. I, along with many well educated people, can see the flaws and problems created by the old guard. It’s time for some new, educated, blood in the party. We should just set Arizona up as the place for these types of thinkers to go. Wall them in as they would do to Mexico (they pretty much want to secede from the Union anyway right? I say give’em a go as a sovereign nation and see how well that goes.

  76. Tom2058 says:

    Joe, your attitude is the problem in this country. Your (or miy) relationship with god is a private matter. Do you really think that god cares about the show you put on for him or is it just what is in our hearts? That is what s is meant by “pray in the close”t and do it “without ceasing”. The purpose, as Jesus preached, was to make you a better person, the salvation of your soul, not the show you put on for others. Stop using religon as a sword. Besides, is the problem with the neighbor because it is a cross or becuase it is lighted? The story seems to address that it is because it is lighted which is the neighbors business since the light hits his property..

  77. cj says:

    ah, it’s always a site to see when the boro you grew up in makes the drudgereport! god, that thing is awful! i respect property rights, but this crosses the line, especially if it prevents his neighbor from enjoying their property (that’s their right too)

  78. BJP says:

    I agree…leave him alone unless you want to pay his mortgage and his property taxes. In that case, with his agreement you might have more of an argument to do have him take it down.

  79. FORREAL says:

    If you believe this guy has built this cross to face his neighbors window because of his love of God, I have some swamp land to sell you…… He is malicious, wake up.

  80. sevanclaig says:

    I’m pretty sure the Bible does not say we should prey- in the closet or otherwise. I do believe it states we should pray, however. What you are trying to get at is the how the Word explains praying by yourself, without witnesses- anonymously- is a sign of your sincere belief. Neither has anything to do with this man’s desire to spread the message of Christ by displaying giant lighted crosses on his property. it isn’t even a n issue of religious beliefs as the man himself says- it is about property rights.

  81. biffula says:

    The guy cant do what he wants just because he says it’s for the Lord. If its a nusiance to his neighbors. A 25 foot tall bright light in his neighborhood at night doesnt seem like he’s being very Christian to me.

  82. Bullet says:

    Mr. Behr.
    I appreciate your faith. Please consider, if you win, Your neighbor will then have the right to speakers anouncing call to prayer 5 times a day, your other neighbor the right to set up a satan worship alter in plain view. I do not think this is what you want. This is worth consideration.

  83. cj says:

    the whole story was in the pgh post gazette yesterday. he put up the cross AFTER she complained about him parking his construction company vehicles in front of HER house. this is merely a thumb to the nose of town code and his neighbor, who, by the way, has just as much right to enjoy her property without unnecessary lights blaring in her bedroom in the middle of the night.

  84. steveBVA says:

    This guy is clearly unstable. Not sure why this is such a big story – there are delusional people who believe they speak for God, know God’s mind or are bldg some sort of special tribute to him/her/it.

    I would not one to be his neighbor or one of the council members..that guy’s stability is dangling by a thread.

  85. proChrist says:

    hope the Aliens scare the liver out of ‘um if they try to remove that cross.

  86. cross bothers satan says:

    🙂 i guess for some seeing a cross is like opening a window on a vampire before dark?

    1. Baker says:

      Is this a Twilight joke? Couldn’t be more confused.

  87. matt says:

    25′ is a REALLY BIG cross. I guess that gives his neighbor the right to erect a two and a half story tall neon green lighted dinosaur right next to the cross guy’s property line.

  88. Mike says:


    what about the property rights of his neighbors?

  89. wyogator says:

    He should just call it a security light!

  90. MorganGray says:

    So, by the argument I am hearing, if I feel my neighbor’s porch light is too bright, he has to take it down.
    What if I don’t like the color he painted his house? I can see it from my back porch. Should he have to repaint it?
    Or, what about the big billboard at the end of my road? That thing’s light shines in my windows at night. Should it be demolished?
    How far do we carry this?

    Mary, your argument is common, but has no precedence in law. Your nose has nothing to do with it. The issue is the right of the individual citizen, and another citizen does not have the right to limit his freedom of expression.
    Besides, what ever happened to the old Leftist chestnut; “If you don’t like it, don’t look?” Oh, I forgot that only applies to liberals and liberal speech.

  91. Johnny says:

    He chose to live there, pay for the materials to build the cross and pays the electricity. What is the matter? Try to make the same claim in Las Vegas or NYC.

    What he should do is put a bird’s nest atop it and claim its the new residence of an endangered chicken-hawk! Then the EPA would over-rule the stupid municipality.

  92. Clay says:

    If this were an islamic crest, no one would dare complain.

  93. ishecrazy says:

    Then if we were neighbors, can I put up a 30ft concrete wall on the property line with you? You’ll have to look at it every day, but I don’t care because it’s on my property. You could move if you don’t like it. Try selling your home with my wall. Guess there is no choice, just have to sit there and take my rude, outragous behavior.

  94. Glenn says:

    Remember laws are made for everyone not just against one person.

    Does he live in a typical neighborhood?

    I’m a Christian. But if my neighbor had a 20 ft tall cross that stayed lit all night and kept me awake, I’m get pretty upset.

  95. Tracy Gross says:

    The Biblical ignorance of those who post on Christian issues never ceases to amaze me! IF he’s in compliance with the law cross UP IF he’s in non-compliance=cross down. Some of you neo-theologians might actually try reading the Bible some time before commenting on its contents

  96. justanotherfreak says:

    All of the property right people on here must not live by this weirdo. Those bright lights blaring into your windows all night. No one on that block could sell their home. So his rights are more important than his neighbors? An all night lighted pentagram would be a problem, wouldn’t it religious freaks? Yeah, I thought so. Keep your invisable man where he belongs…invisable.

  97. Paul says:

    Who says you can’t fight city Hall?

    A Martyr wins by loosing.

  98. Mike says:


    You are so far off it isn’t even funny.

    The fact is he erected a structure and that in of itself is not to code. Second, the ilghts from that structure shine directly into his neighbor’s windows.

    Your neighbor’s porch light isn’t aimed at your home.

    The color of your neighbor’s home isn’t going to keep you up at night (unless you are a kook).

    This has nothing to do with liberals or communists or conservatives.

    1. UncleSam101 says:

      You have made a boatload of assumptions, unless you have inspected the site.

      1. Mike says:

        Name one, Uncle Sam. These are facts:

        1. He built crosses without permits.
        2. His cross is a nuisance to the neighbor who reported him to the authorities about another matter regarding his vehicles.

        I’ve seen the video of the site. I’ve heard what the neighbor said.

        He is infringing about the rights of his neighbor and this issue, unlike other morons on this site seem to believe, has nothing to do about religion. The structure could be a giant letter B for his last name and it still is the same issue.

      2. Bob T Guy says:

        Well stated. This fellow is a nuisance in every respect. It is not a religious issue.

  99. Greg C says:

    God Bless you Carl Behr – we need more people like you to take a stand for our Lord.

    If it were a muslim symbol or some other atheist sysmbol nothing would be done about it – enough is enough. Go for it…. and don’t back down….

  100. your momma says:

    what would do if you hung a noose in your yard? people would complain. if you want to be white trash carl go buy a trailer and move to the country. drive past his house and you will understand. if you are a catholic then why do you get nudy magazines. GET RID OF THE LIGHTS KEEP THE CROSS AND NAIL CARLS ASS TO IT!!!!!!!

  101. Steve says:

    Hey Rafe where does it say you are to pray in a closet? If this man wants to display a cross with lights on his property then he should, 1st amendment read it. Is it that you hate christians, why be afraid to say so just come out and say it. The Bible does speak of people just like you.

  102. MrLiberty says:

    have any of his neighbors complained? The article didn’t say

  103. tom says:

    Nest time you have a chance to thow these councils out of offices. There are many issues they have to deal with then why are they concerning someone’s expressed their faith on their own property. They, these councils have no rights to tell people who to worship, what to eat, what to wear….Just tell them get the hell out citizens’s businesses. It is offend them, then let them go around the country telling people to do things that they want. These councils should not hold office for one sesond. That is my oppinion

  104. straightstreet1 says:

    To require him to remove the lighted cross ON HIS PROPERTY, would be like requiring people to remove their Christmas ligths because they shine in their neighbor’s windows, or to remove the street lights because they shine in the windows. Heck, it’s HIS PROPERTY, it’s HIS POWER BILL. Leave the guy alone. The neighbor can buy blackout curtains. We used to have FREEDOM in this country.

  105. Kevin says:

    You stupid US sheep do not OWN your properties. You rent it from the city you live in. But you ignorant feminized sheep would never notice that, as it is common sense, which most Americans lack….

  106. David D. says:

    Tom2058 – Since when is the Christian faith a “private matter”??? By definition, Christianity is a public faith and evangelical in nature. The scripture to pray privately is addressing false religious pride not hiding our faith. We are not to hide our faith in our homes or behind closed doors at a church building, but to let our light shine publicly and to make disciples of all nations. This is done by taking the gospel to the public square, to the street, our work place, etc. Sure, this can be done in a good or bad way, but we are commanded to share the gospel at all times. Our nation was built on this premise. How has our faith become something to hide now? Answer: it hasn’t.

  107. Eric Southerland says:

    To Hell with the City. DON’T Pay THEM – Stand up now or die on your knees later. GOOD FOR HIM. THE CITY is wrong.

    For all the simpletons out there… opposition to tyranny is honor to GOD. May God Bless and Keep that man. Anyone who critizes this man is a man without principal and a fool.

  108. Mussernik says:

    Yes, please make the Christian down the lighted cross. Then let’s allow Sharia Law so we can show our tolerance as a nation. I hope you atheists, radical muslims and God haters understand sarcasm. I also hope this comment cuts to the bone.

  109. Kerry Black says:

    Suppose I strung Christmas lights all around the eves and roof of my home and kept them up and lit year round? And suppose as part of my display I arranged some of them into a cross pattern? Would that bother you? Probably, but it’s my home and there is nothing in the code that outlines when Christmas lights can be lit.

  110. PDN says:

    We have a motion activated porch light that turns on when someone walks or drives in our driveway for safety purposes. When we come home at night this light turns on. This light does not shine on our neighbors house, but it glanced the very end of their backyard (50ft away from their house). Our neighbor complained because when they sat outside they didn’t like seeing our light in the far corner of their property. We shortened the duration of the time the light stayed on so that it would only illuminate their fence corner for 3min or less. My neighbor still called and complained. Finally, I realized it was just the light itself she objected to, so I readjusted the light (circle of illumination) and it now does not even touch her yard. Granted, you can now walk down, or drive down our driveway 3/4 of the way without activating the light, but you still can’t go up our steps without activating the light. I thought she was over sensitive, but I also understood and valued her property rights.

    This man is not valuing his neighbors property rights if the lights shine on their property directly. It has nothing to do with the shape of the object – a flagpole is easily 25ft high (my neighbor has one they use regularly, but it is unlighted). I am sure they have a height regulation for building in their zoning laws. If this man is not violating the zoning laws, the only problem should be the lights shining/violating his neighbors property. And yes, just as smoke can be a violation of a neighbors property, and noise can be a violation of a neighbors property, light can definitely be a violation of a neighbors property —- and we should respect each others property rights.

  111. Greg says:

    Good for him, His property His rights.

  112. To mike again says:

    Hey waco mike. Just do it. Drink the koolaid.

    1. Mike says:

      Whatever, knucklehead. LOL

  113. JxnVineMan says:

    Several have said that our faith is a private matter. – Since when is the Christian faith a “private matter”??? By definition, Christianity is a public faith and evangelical in nature. The scripture to pray privately is addressing false religious pride not hiding our faith. We are not to hide our faith in our homes or behind closed doors at a church building, but to let our light shine publicly and to make disciples of all nations. This is done by taking the gospel to the public square, to the street, our work place, etc. Sure, this can be done in a good or bad way, but we are commanded to share the gospel at all times. Our nation was built on this premise. How has our faith become something to hide now? Answer: it hasn’t.

  114. strongteamaker says:

    What the hell is KDKA?

    I love that cross, I hope he and other Christians guard it with their life. Dieing for the cross makes you a Marter.

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  116. RICH says:


  117. Mike says:

    Kerry Black,

    that ihas nothing to do with this. Christmas lights aren’t as powerful as this moron’s lights and they are not intentially aimed at a neighbor’s house.

  118. UrsusRexx says:

    …25 foot lighted crosses?
    What about this person’s neighbors?
    How do they like the neighborhood being disfigured, (with resulting drop in home values), via these ‘monuments’ to a dying monotheist-subculture?
    …What’s next?
    Shall we have real crucifixions like they do in the Phillipines every year? Howze ’bout we demand that ALL monotheists, (…so busy trying to decide for the rest of us how marry & raise our families!), first proove themselves by a couple weeks, suspended, via three nails apiece?
    Performance art!
    Like ‘Monthy Python’ postulated, (by the superb movie, “Life of Brian”):
    “Line forms to the left, 1 cross each!”… Let’s remember: INRI stands for: “I’m nailed right in!”…

    1. Mike says:


      Ha ha! Nice going! 🙂

  119. strongteamaker says:


    It is no longer worth the blood, sweat and tears to keep your state’s star on that US Flag. There are many states that would now be better off economicall, politically, and spiratully if they were no long part of the Federal Government. The US Federal Government has become the new evil we now face.


  120. Siobhra A DeWar says:

    So if I want to hang a large picture of a nude in my yard the Christians here would not have a problem with that? If I want to pray in the nude to my God in the yard the Christians would support that?

    1. Mike says:

      Siobhra A DeWar

      So true… how about taking that 25 foot nude statue and aim it directly at your Christian neiighbor’s bedroom windows and then for an added effect, have a recording of it moaning very loudly with bright lights around those areas not to be mentioned… sure, it is your right as a property owner! LOL

  121. ahkmed says:

    What is the difference between this and the Muslim call to prayer over loud speakers in a neighborhood…Should I try to forcibly stop this religious act because it offends my ears…where does it stop?

  122. Bullet says:

    Why does the majority of people combine RELIGION and faith in God. The two simply do not go together. Even God knows this and said so. Religion is humans interpretation of God’s will and more often than not in error. Those errors have killed many. God is Good, Religion is not good. Faith in God is Good, Faith in religion is not good.
    . I have a theory: “every single human being will someday acknowledge a belief in God.” If my theory is correct, many are in jeopardy. I hope not you If I’m wrong but in my wrong I strive to live as God, not religion, asks me to treat others then all I’ve done is good. What could be wrong with that? The problem isn’t the God I believe in, it is human beings taking wrong actions based on their incorrect interpretation of God’s will. Because of this many simply give up and say, “I don’t believe in something” when they really mean, they don’t like it. Personally I think it takes a far greater faith to believe there is no God than to believe, IF you truly do not believe, I compliment you on your abilities of faith.

  123. desert says:

    These people with an “anti-Christ” attitude will have a major problem when the Lord comes back in the clouds for his people won’t they? Who are they going to complain about for the activities in the sky???

    1. Mike says:

      They can complain that the aliens made them do it.

  124. Mommy4 says:

    The poor man who put up the cross is missing the point. If one is living life the way Christ truly intended, no giant, brightly lit cross is necessary to broadcast one’s faith to the neighbors.

    My parents have a porch light that they are always worried about shining into their neighbor’s bedroom window. They are very quick to turn it off once we are all in for the night (if we are visiting them from out of town), so as not to offend. That is a sweet spirit. That speaks volumes. Constructing a giant cross to make a point seems to only be sending a negative image of “religion” and not the loving message that Christ intended.

    I believe the poor man missed the point entirely.

  125. Bullet says:

    Why does the majority of people combine RELIGION and faith in God. The two simply do not go together. Even God knows this and said so. Religion is humans interpretation of God’s will and more often than not in error. Those errors have killed many. God is Good, Religion is not good. Faith in God is Good, Faith in religion is not good. My theory – “every single human being will someday acknowledge a belief in God.” If my theory is correct – A lot of people are in jeopardy. I hope not you If I’m wrong but in my wrong I strive to live as God, not religion, asks me to treat others then all I’ve done is good. What could be wrong with that? The problem isn’t the God I believe in, it is human beings taking wrong actions based on their incorrect interpretation of God’s will. Because of this many simply give up and say, “I don’t believe in something” when they really mean, they don’t like it. Personally I think it takes a far greater faith to believe there is no God than to believe, IF you truly do not believe, I compliment you on your abilities of faith.

  126. HopeandFaith says:

    This situation has nothing to do with God. I live in this neighborhood and I assure you if you lived in her house and you were surrounded with construction materials and equipment like the letter L (because he owns property beside her and in back of her), with materials encroaching on your property, and then you build a fence to stop the encroachment, all of a sudden three crosses appear after the fence was built… would not like it….but, if you do…I do know she is going to make an attempt to sell her house and move. See, she mediated and prayed about how to handle this situation and God told her it was time to ask for the Boroughs help. So let all of you so called religious folks pray for her that she can sell her house at the best price she can (because she needs that money for the down payment of the next house), that the right buyer, who is accepting of the neighbors life style will come, and she finds a house where she can continue Gods work, as she does privately and without public display. Her prayers are needed.

  127. I AM Right says:

    Bet Muslims could build a Mosque. Bet Illegal Immigrants could find a home. Bet Athiests would get theior way. The USA now officially sucks. Our freedoms are evaporating. Any liberal that argues this is free to move to Cuba, China, North Korea.

  128. Spock says:

    When does the Government stop telling us what we can do on our own Property that does not harm anyone else.

    See i would agree with some of you about the lights but we know it is because of the Cross, see if it was the lights why not just sk him to shut off the lights at a certain time, or dime them? NOPE they was the cross to come down.

    Well he has freedom of Religion , the libs do not have Freedom FROM religion

    1. Mike says:


      Unlike the “real” Spock, you have no idea about what logic is.

      It is not about the structure being a cross. It is about building without a permit. It is about blaring lights into a neighbor’s home. Carl’s neighbor has rights too.

  129. Joe Jack says:

    This isn’t about religion, per se. This jerk is using a cross to further annoy his neighbor across the street for calling the police on him for parking his construction equipment on her lawn. He’s just another a-hole trying to justify his actions hiding behind the Bible!

    1. Mike says:

      Amen to that, Joe Jack.

  130. Bill says:

    Sorry lefties, you do NOT have the right NOT to be offended. Move on… dot org

  131. JLB says:

    His lights are excessive and its on all night. It probably shines right in the neighbor’s bedroom window…. why anyone have to not sleep because the neighbor won’t turn out the lights? If the lights didn’t stay on all night, the neighbor may not even care. But now, the Borough is saying it doesn’t meet zoning requirements. If he really feels that its for God, he should realize God knows what is in your heart. I think he is doing it just to get attention. 15 mintues of fame….

  132. Larry Mann says:

    Hey, it’s Baldwin, not Whitehall. If it was Whitehall, the cops would be over there beating him about the head and face with every inch of that illuminated cross.

  133. Jerry Hatosy says:

    Can you spell Richard Head?

  134. Larry Mann says:

    It ain’t about RELIGION, it IS about some loser, enacting revenge against his neighbors – they complained to him about parking his construction Vehicles in front of their homes. Homes that they cleared away the snow. Homes that they pay taxes on. Homes that should not be facing some lunatic who thinks he can use his God to exact revenge angainst the naysayers in his neighborhood!

  135. oscar77 says:

    The fact is that we don’t have to get a “permit” to freely practice our religion. Multiple court decisions forbidding crosses on various public lands used the reasoning that the cross is about religion. We don’t have to prove that.

    The Bill of Rights recognizes our RIGHT to practice our religion freely, and a political entity requiring a person to get a permit to practice what he wishes to about his religion is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    This is totally separate about whether or not it is a particularly caring and loving thing to do to erect a lighted cross that prevents one’s neighbors from sleeping. The man may, in fact, be a jerk. However, many of you on here are jerks, judging by your posts. Yet you are free to post your jerky posts, because of the same Bill of Rights. You wish to be required to get a “permit” to be able to post your jerky posts?

    I didn’t think so.

  136. WriterDude says:

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
    prohibiting the free exercise thereof” If it;s good enough for the Feds, it’s good enough for towns.

  137. tgc says:

    It’s his house, he should have the right to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn’t endanger anyone. If the neighbors don’t like the cross, they have these cool new things called DRAPES, and CURTAINS! They are amazing, you hang them on your windows, and when you close them you don’t have to see what your neighbors are doing in THEIR OWN YARDS!

    1. Mike says:

      another idiotic reply…

      why should the neighbor have to draw his or her drapes at night? Maybe they like to sleep with their windows open… they shouldn’t be forced to “hide” in their own homes because of some moron who is blasting a hundred or so brightly lit light bulbs towards their house.

      Hey tgc, how about if your neighbor decided to blast heavy metal music from their lawn aimed at your house late at night when you are trying to sleep?

      Don’t call the cops, but get some earplugs…

  138. John says:

    Just say no to the liberals in city hall. THE CROSS STAYS!!!

  139. Dano says:

    Pretty funny, what’s this town going to due when December rolls around with the Christmas lights on everyone’s houses? There’s always some that have extravagant displays.

  140. Tongaloid says:

    We do not live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic. A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding on what’s for supper…

    I wonder if this town will require permits next Christmas for house/yard decorations?

  141. The Atheist says:

    There is NO GOD you complete numbnuts!
    Joke Jesus is a complete myth – get a brain!
    Islam is laughable!

    1. Let’s see who has the last laugh , your the crazy one . All us Christains can’t be wrong ,& y’all right. Dontwait till you meet him ,& say. You know they where right . Because You Will When You” Our Precsious Lord Face To face .

    2. Eric-Gunther :Oberhauser says:

      You had better enjoy being an athiest…Yo won’t be one much longer.

  142. Kerry Early says:

    I failed to see where it stated WHY the council wanted his crosses down? Have there been complaints or is this another case of an atheist trying to exert their will over others.

  143. Dave says:

    I’m just here to say that my life without religion is absolutely great. I hope everyone someday learns the joy of reality…Religious Faith is bull…keep your delusions to yourselves.

  144. Bad Bob says:

    So read below and tell me who was bothered by this cross?

    In 2001, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of Frank Buono, a former National Park Services employee, against the Mojave Desert memorial. A district court and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the cross and the land transfer violated the Establishment Clause and ordered it removed.

  145. Janice says:

    God Bless.

  146. Wayne says:

    Typical of a low life city council to tell a man what he can do on his own private property. Go to hell city council. You don’t like the lights, then move. Sniveling liberals can’t go two minutes without trying to tell other people how to live under their controls.

  147. Sheila Thomas says:

    No. 1. You should be able to do anything within your rights as long as it doesn’t infringe someone else’s rights. Having to put up with glaring lights is an infringement. One can put up a cross without disturbing others.

    No. 2. This jerk has had issues with the neighbor and this is clearly his way of annoying her. To say he is doing something for religious purposes is a lie and God knows that. He better go to Confession ’cause he’s got some ‘splaining to do.

  148. cwxj415 says:

    This man is EXACTLY like the “hypocrites” that Jesus condemns in Matthew 6:5-6. This lighted cross is the equivlent of “praying on the street corners so his neighbors can see how “holy” he is.” JUST like Jesus condemned, This guy should take down the cross, go inside his house, close his door, and pray to his God in SECRET, as Jesus commanded.
    The problem nowadays is that supposed “Christians” have stopped paying attention to the teachings of Jesus.

    1. Kelly says:

      That’s what I said! Only you said it sooooo much better. Great post!

  149. Karen Fae McCracken says:

    “Dana:Why is it that people who aren’t Christians seem to know the most about Christianity?” Why” because we took the time to STUDY it, LEARN the REAL History of religion..why is it that people who consider themselves to be Christians..assume the rest of us aren’t “Christians”? Just because we don’t go to a church or prescribe to some outmoded doctrine???

  150. Brian says:

    The Constitution of the United States permits people to practice freedom of religion. If these secularist jerks give him any more flack, he should sue them for multi-millions of dollars for infringing on his Constitutional Rights. The Constitution trumps any anti-religious rules this little god-hating housing groups thinks they can come up with.

  151. Darel says:

    If he owns the property then they have no right to tell him/her what he can do on his own property……. IT’s called Property Rights” the only time a person should be in violation is when a persons property rights causes harm to another. For example: If two people feed cattle on from the same stream then the person property who is located prior to the next owner should not cause harm to the water supple which effects those down stream. I support the owners right to own his own cross… The next thing they will tell home owners are how tall the bushes can be “oops they already do this in some locations”

    1. Mike says:

      So, if he was your neighbor and put up a statue of a nude man and hung it from his tree so your children could see it and then at night he liit it up so you could see it in your bedroom, it’s all good because it’s his property and no one has the right to tell him to take his naked statue down.

      Laughable. It has nothing to do with being a liberal or anything else.

  152. UncleSam101 says:

    PA has a statute that may be used to effectively overcome many nuisance ordanances. Carl Behr should see a lawyer with experience in municipal law if he truly wants to keep his crosses. The state statute essentially says that the offending act must be a nuisance per se and not merely a violation of the ordanance. Note that the law applies differently if it is a zoning regulation. Zoning is generally not retroactive if the use already exists at the time the law is enacted. Either way Carl Behr may have a good case. Free speech issues may, but probably don’t, come into play here as well.

  153. MattGordonMD says:

    “Lord lovin’ people”? LoL. A 25 ft tall cross must be his sanctimonious way of saying he loves the lord more than anyone else in town.

  154. Dave says:

    I wish him well. You go boy. Its about time a stand was taken for the Lord.

  155. Massimo Deportado says:

    What is it about the left and Jesus.

    Was Jesus such a bad guy?

    Sheeeesh….. what a bunch of evil doers…..

  156. Jamie says:

    I don’t understand why he won’t just apply for a permit..? Just because it’s a cross doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to follow the law. Apply, and if you’re denied for absurd reasons – THEN complain. Otherwise, this isn’t news.

  157. schoendog says:

    If OShama can ignore the courts rulings on his new laws…why should this gentleman obey the towns mandates?

    1. Mike says:

      lollies at schoendog…

      non-sequitur is your name

  158. Heather says:

    Just b/c he’s Christian, it doesn’t mean he’s above the codes we all have to follow. He’s not a special snowflake. He’s just religious. Have your cross, just get the permits and make it so it’s not glaring into anyone’s homes and he’s set.

    This isn’t rocket science.

    1. Mike says:

      Heather – a voice of reason. Thank you, it is refreshing.

  159. Bob Jones says:

    If the law allowing them to regulate lighting was passed after the lighting was already there, then it is an ex post facto law, meaning it was passed after the alleged offense in order to make the alleged offense an offense, and it is uncontitutional.

    Keep it up.

    1. Mike says:

      That is not what happened, Bobby.

      Besides, if a property owner finds a new way to infrnge on another property owner’s rights, then a new law on the matter is constitutional.

      Try again.

    2. Heather says:

      It’s not a law, it’s a code. Codes change, people are required to change with them. Get within code and he’s set.

      Why is this an issue? Is it b/c it’s a cross? Who cares? Cross or not, he has to follow code.

  160. Amy J. says:

    Gotta love all the ignorant comments supporting this guy’s “religious freedom”. It is possible that he did this out of spite because of his neighbor’s complaint regarding the construction vehicle. Even if it’s not out of spite, would you want a 25 foot illuminated cross shining in your bedroom window at night? It absolutely is a nuisance!
    So Mr. Behr said, “…if anyone tries to make me remove them, they will only anger the Lord”. Doesn’t anyone else think he’s totally nuts? I really believe that pretentiousness and self-righteousness would anger the Lord more.
    Every neighborhood has ordinances regarding construction, light, noise, etc. Your religious freedom doesn’t exempt you from the rules!
    Besides, God made the night sky dark for a reason. Light pollution is annoying, unhealthy, and wasteful. There’s no reason to have something so big and bright in a residential area like that.

    1. Mike says:

      Amen, Amy! 🙂

  161. Kelly says:

    One’s faith should be practiced privately. One should pray in private. Shoving your cross/faith into someone elses business (the guy across the street) is wrong and un neighborly. No mosques either! And those Saturday door knockers need to stop too!

    1. bane says:

      Free speech is free speech. If you limit free speech or expression then you are not free. Yes, you cannot shout fire in a crowded theater unless there is an actual fire, howeve that does not apply here. This man was proving a point about government power and abuse. Despite wether I agree with his position or religion is not the issue. Government abuse is, and the council conveniently passed an ordinance targeting this man. Who or what group is next?

  162. Ranger01 says:

    Quote; “The lighting ordinance allows us to place restrictions on residential lighting that would be deemed a nuisance” I guess the people need to speak up and tell the city council if they think this is a nuisance? I believe it is time they elect a new city council! They are the nuisance!

  163. Evan says:

    Obviously, the councilmen don’t like the sign, never liked the sign, that is why they made a new lighting oIrdinance, just for him. Ohh you can “apply” for a permit, but they won’t give it to him. That is why they want him to take it down, if the state takes down the cross the county looks bad. If he takes it down it will confirm that he is a slave.

    “”The council says Behr didn’t apply for a permit. Even if he does apply for one, he has to be in compliance with a new lighting ordinance council has been working on for the past four months.

    Ironically, it passed Tuesday night.
    (Ironically isn’t the right word, perhaps premeditated)

    “The lighting ordinance allows us to place restrictions on residential lighting that would be deemed a nuisance,” Baldwin Borough Manager John Barrett said.

    If Behr doesn’t apply for a permit and doesn’t take down the crosses, then he will face fines.””

    1. Mike says:

      As the idiot should. His structure is a nuisance to this neighbor and may be unsafe to boot.

      That people defend this guy is really scary to me.

  164. CAM says:

    If the man is doing this for the Lord then he needs to do what is legal and follow the law. If the town has an ordinance then abide by it or try to change it. As the Bible states:

    Mark 12: 13-17 “Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”
    But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

  165. Duggie says:

    Wow. The more I read these replies, the more I’m convinced that Christians as a whole are insane.

  166. ex-Pennsylvanian says:

    Hmmm. This law was passed “ex post facto” (after the fact), is “viewpoint-based” (the law was passed because the cross was raised, which is a form of speech), and prohibits the exercise of religion (display of a religious symbol). Thus the law is unconstitutional on at least three (different) points. It amazes me to see how people are willing to trash the Constitution (including judges) when they see (or hear) things they don’t like, and yet quote it reverently when it (by coincidence, apparently) happens to support their viewpoint. So Heather, is not following an unjust law mean you think you’re above the rules? How about the people that passed the unjust law? And why attack “Christians” in general, for the act of one Christian? Are you biased or something?

    1. Mike says:


      I hope you never attempt to practice law. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

      The fact of the matter is he never received a permit to put up a structure. I say structure because that it is a cross just doesn’t matter.

      The structure is a nuisance. It is. If you don’t believe it. Buy the neighbor’s house who has to suffer from the blinding lights that the structure eminates.

      The neighbor complained to the council. The council acted.

      There is nothing illegal or unconstiituional about it.

      Many people haven’t responded to what I previously posted, maybe you will, ex.

      Let’s say your neighbor hangs a nude statue and faces it towards your yard where your children can clearly see it. And say, at night your neighbor lights the nude statue and moaning sounds are played from its mouth..l all directed at your home and bedroom windows…

      You wouldn’t complain to your city council? Say you won’t or you wouldn’t mind and you are a liar then, sir.

    2. Heather says:

      Christians are attacking those that aren’t christian, I thought I’d return the favor and see how long it took for a wonderful christian to ask why I painted them all with the same brush 🙂 Good for the goose, good for the gander and all that!

      I don’t care what he does, as long as he follows the same codes and procedures I have to follow. If he’s out of code (and didn’t get a permit, what is up with that? That’s just basic knowledge) he has to fix it. New code or not.

      And I do find it odd you paint me as biased when you cannot get that thorn out of your eye about how persecuted christians are. The only religious aspect of this is it’s a cross. It could be a star of david and I would feel the same.

  167. David Heath says:

    How stupid and superstitious Americans have become in the 21st century.

  168. Tom says:

    WOW So apparently Americans have somehow become so stupid that they believe the Government CAN violate your right to religious expression, and stifle your first amendmant rights…what has happened to you fools, you show your stupidity daily. You should be embarrassed. That is this guys point by the way. The Declaration of Independencde states we get our LIBERTY from God, not men. Therefore Men cant take away our rights, only God can. The Constitution then goes on to limit and restricvt the actiuon of what the US Government can and cannot do to its citizens based on that premise.

    You have all shown your ignorance of your own founding fathers, and openly urinate on the graves of those who gave their lives so that you could freely say stupid stuff like what you say here, but try to prevent one guy from honoring his God per the First Amendment….it is staggering how shameful you all are. Staggering. Hell will be a special place for all of you, you stand no chance of heaven, but keep kidding yourselves…perfect.

    1. Mike says:

      Thanks, Tom. Can I make my reservations now… I mean right now. I can’t wait. LOL

      1. Tom says:

        Oh you made your reservations a long time ago…only your the only one who doesnt know it…the joke is on you Mike.

      2. Mike says:

        The joke is on you fool, for believing in a man-made god and using that as a crutch to get by in your life.

        I will continue to believe in myself and my loved ones around me and won’t rely on superstition to “save me” in the end.

        You know there is no life after death. I can accept that, but you and the majority cannot. You need to believe that life goes on. You are afraid of non-existence.

    2. Heather says:

      Yeah and when that big ol’ cross falls down and crushes someones car, or random person walking on the street in the next big storm this spring…b/c it’s not up to code…what will your opinion be then?

      1. Mike says:

        Don’t worry Heather, the Christians will say it was the will of God and the poor person who was struck and killed by the cross was lucky to be part of God’s plan. LOL

    3. Conlaw student says:

      Tom, you’re one of those guys who thinks they know everything about Constitutional Law because you’ve read the Constitution…

      In the real world, most of it is determined by SCOTUS case law. And the SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld reasonable restrictions on free speech (i.e. you can’t protest at 1am, can’t yell fire in a crowded theater, can’t curse in public, etc.).

      Having a massive, light-up cross, is NOT reasonable speech.

  169. Morgana99 says:

    Hooray for selfish Christians! Guess why you all look like hypocrites! (Actually, this would be the least of reasons. Centuries of hateful slaughter is also a factor.)

  170. Frank says:

    Has is occurred to anyone that what the council is trying to do is illegal? Article 1 Section 9 of the US Constitution prohibits EX Post Facto ( retroactive )laws. Ordinanaces passed AFTER these crosses have been erected do not apply to them. They can only be applied to structures built after they are passed. The artcle does not address what permits were required before construction.

    1. Conlaw student says:

      The Constitution only applies to the Federal government.

      The only parts that apply to the states are amendments that have been incorporated by the supreme court.

  171. bane says:

    I wonder what the town would have said if this man was a moon worshipping muslim? I suspect their decision would be one of tolerance!

    1. Mike says:

      well bane, it wasn’t the town that complained. It was the neighbor who has to put up with the blinding lights shining directly at her home.

      It doesn’t matter what the structure is.

  172. RJB CA says:

    if this were a symbol from any OTHER religion the ACLU would be defending this man right now, and CNN / NBC / etc would call the council racist for telling them to take down their religious symbol

  173. Kent says:

    Love the dabate going on, but just one question. Did he violate local zoning laws? If so, take them down. He could not put a deck on his house or build a garage without the OK of his local zoning board, so he can’t put these up there without their OK either.

  174. Daniel says:

    I think he should be able to keep up his lights if he wants to however he should offer to purchase some blinds for the woman that does not allow light to enter. Problem solved.

    1. Mike says:

      Nice try, Daniel, but you fail.

      The neighbor shouldn’t have to be forced to use blinds. Maybe the neighbor wants to leave her windows open and curtains drawn.

  175. John C says:

    If it’s about a lighting ordinance, why not just ask him to turn out the lights at night?

  176. Fecal McStool says:

    I like to talk about stool.

  177. Libertarian says:

    This guy needs to stick it to the man! Fight City “Ordinances”! If they are anything like most city councils, they’re just a bunch of mindless, middle-aged power mongering baboons anyway.

  178. Watchman says:

    This is clearly a a case of separation of church and state. On gov’t. property your
    religious speech, actions and rights are severely limited. This is no longer enough, now they want to control your religious speech/rights on your own property. Next, it’ll be within your home and the internet. Where will you make your stand! If you value what rights you have left, you better start fighting. Go Carl Behr, there are untold millions of us out here that feel the same way as you and we are not taking it anymore.

    1. Heather says:

      I’m still confused as to WHY people are making this a religious issue. Can’t you all just…I dunno…grow up. Buy a clue? Realize that it could be any symbol at all. It could be a christmas tree or an inverted cross for that matter. (I can see you all changing your tune if it was an inverted cross) as long as it follows code there’s no big deal.

  179. Baker says:

    @Mike, man you cracked me up. Hilarious.

    Look, bottom line everyone, there’s no prerequisite in the Bible saying God demands electrified crosses to prove your devotion. Therefore it’s not about God or religion or any other hoodoo/voodoo nonsense. It’s about a guy not knowing how to follow simple restrictions and ordinated laws. He’s piggy-backing his religion as a way to get his 15 minutes of fame. Come off it, already, and take the crosses down. Either that or find a way to get a permit and meet the lawful requirments. I seriously doubt any one will get the Mighty Smite for this so let’s just stop playing games.

    1. Mike says:

      Happy to amuse you, Baker… but I needed fodder to unleash my humore and there is plenty of fodder in these replies. 🙂

      1. Baker says:

        Indeed, sir, indeed. But hey, as long as their are rational thinking people out there like us and some of the folks in here maybe the world isn’t such a bad place.


      2. Mike says:

        I’m all for that, Baker. 🙂

  180. imcookie says:

    Good for him.. I am all for expression for what you believe in.
    MUSLIMS can build these HUGE UGLY BUILDINGS anywhere they want, JEWS can put up their religious beliefs. BUT SHOULD SOMEONE put up anything to do with GOD and they start screaming. THESE people are ANTI CHRIST good, put up an anti CHRIST sign on your property.. BUT keep your nose out of others beliefs.

    1. Mike says:


      You must be trolling, yes you have to be, because you cannot possibly be that stupid and ignorant to spew the nonsense that you have just now spewed into this blog.

      1. Baker says:


      2. to mike hunt says:

        You are just an idiot

    2. Baker says:

      This comment is baffling. If I’m reading it correctly, you are saying that Muslims and Jews don’t believe in a God? Also, what is “anti christ good”? Is that like “James Franco Pie Good”?

  181. imcookie says:

    why are so many of you against CHRIST??? I am sure you have our beliefs and you have that right to SHOW YOUR BELIEFS in anyway you chose. So why don;t you MYOB when someone wants to show his beliefs. You have to much time on your hands, get a life. Maybe you don;t trust your beliefs so you choose not to show it, thats your right but d@mnIT keep your nose out of someone else’s

  182. Tim says:

    He should continue to ignore the council. Private property is just that. Private!

  183. Jim B says:

    I think all this is “Hey look at Me!” than having to do with one mans religion. No one’s prosicuting him, just asking him to fill the same paperwork and follow the rules each one of us would have to follow. I would like to say I support him but I don’t think this has anything to do with Christianity and I find this very sad.

  184. JosephK says:

    This has nothing to do with the Lord. The guy who put up the crosses is a spiteful nutjob who ONLY erected them to get back at his neighbors who earlier complained about him. He’s no more religious than my pet dog.

  185. Duude says:

    I’m afraid a city ordinance passed after the fact won’t suffice.

  186. Mel Gibson's Jesus says:

    I beseech you all, praise be unto me and the GLORIOUS Sugar Tits, this cross is filled with the light of the breasts of granulated sugar cane. Anyone against it is an affront to ME!

  187. Mike says:


    “I also just realized you were talking about satanic rituals. not biblical sacrifices. Mike satism was never a condoned religion as it represents evil?”

    I wasn’t describing satanic rituals, Tom. Your biased mind came up with that. And, even if I was, there are many practicing Satanists that don’t believe in killing or don’t believe they are evil. The fact that the religion and others like Whiccan (sp?) and druids are not popular doesn’t give you and any other majority any right to infringe on those rights. But, you won’t be able to understand that and have already side-stepped what i previously replied to you, so whatever.

    You grouped all of what you believe to be true about Satanism into one basket… kind of like what Christians do about Muslims – they are all terrorists ooooh.

    Your entire reply about satanism and history and all of that is just pure nonsense fabricated by your brainwashed mind.

    Now, onto your “Jewish” history. First of all, you don’t even know how to address the “Jews.” They are Israelites first. Always have always been, but your ignorance about that fact just keeps making you look foolish.

    Now, about the Israelites history… have you really read your Bible and what it says happened to the Israellites? If not, I’ll explain, in a nutshelll.

    The Israelites became slaves and were forced to leave their country and were scattered throughout the world. That part of history is factual, but proves nothing about the existence of God, any God.

    The fact is, the Bible states the earth being around 7k old, but it is a fact that the Bible is billions of years old… and I guess the writers of the Bible, especially Moses knew nothing about dinosaurs since they must have never existed because they couldn’t have in the past 7k years.

    Oh, and I gues you have never studied Egyptian history and how the same type of Biblical stories (the flood, Jesus, parting of a sea, etc) can be found in writings pre-dating even Egyptian history.

    No Tom, you have nothing to prove your god exists.

    Yet… I would leave it alone and have tolerance for what other people believe, and I do. My entire family is Christian and I respect that. However, constantly I have to put up with pious people like yourself who think that they know everything about God and that their way is the right and only way while all others will suffer some serious fate in a lake of fire…

    that makes me laugh and feel sorry for fools such as yourself.

    1. tom says:


      If Killing a beast , spreading the bood over yourself as you run around naked isnt satanic, then what is it a typical 5 year olds birthday party in your house? Youre an idiot. there really is no excuse for your ridiculousness.

      A little more biblical history since you dont seem to have a clue what youre talking about Mike. Satan , aka Lucifer, was Gods most beautiful angel. God, being God, cast Lucifer to earth as a serpemnt-like creature(a little ironic isnt it, from beauty to hideousness), where God allowed him to have dominon over…us…Gods creation for a time. we still live in that “time”.
      Lucifer having been an angel is not ignorant of God and his plans to bring a deliverer to his creation, a deliverer, because we are flawed Mike…we are broken. Satan from the beginning targetted WOMAN, because all Satan knew is that promised deliverer (messiah) would come through the seed of a woman. So from Eve forward to this very day Satan has attacked the women of God. Satan was going to be allowed inflict humans with sin and did so with Eve, casting doubt in eve’s mind toward God (but mind you adam was with her and was suppose to be watching over her, and allowed it to happen and also partook, so all you men out there, guess too are culpable to God). but not to worry it is in his plan a way for you to be set free from that sin, and came through Christ Jesus on Calvary’s tree some 2000 years ago. he came as a lamb, lived as a man, experienced every temptation you have today, except unlike you and I, HE did not sin. he went to the cross as curse(as defined in the Bible) “cursed is he who is hung on a tree”). he became our sin, and died on the cross. Having completed that INTITAL TASK, he had a few more that still had to be accomplished. He rose and returned to the father where all authority has been given over to Him, and he is now working to build a New heaven and a new earth, why? because this earth, will persih, and the heaven of his time (if you can call it time) will also perish..why? because of SIN, God is a Holy God and cannot be in the porescense of sin, so it all will go, and so will those who do not believe in the one who does it…this is your choice, not mine. not a preachers, not your mommas, or your dadies. We all get to make the choice, and in the end we suffer the consequences. those who accept and obey God, receive life eternal with him. Those who reject Him, naturally, wouldnt want to be in a world or realm controled by God, so they get sent to a place that God allows to run out of control (I imagine that means no nice weather, always an extreme, no beauty, no peace, no love, only fear, lying, hate, deceipt, pain, whatever) a place without God. There is much more to this plan, some of it we know, and most of it..we dont. But we know what we need to know to make the decision. It does require a little effort on our part, so if you are not willing, then as Pink floyd says “How can you have any pudding, if you havent eaten your meat?” Nothing comes without a cost…nothing. thats as simple as I can put it. trust in God, trust also in Jesus, and these things are NOT to be feared.

      1. Mike says:


        First off, please learn how to use paragraphs. A long-winded and continuous rant is difficult to read.

        Second, I’ve been there before. Most likely I know more or as much about the Bible as you do. I’ve studied and prayed over it for many years in my life.

        I’ve came to the conclusion that no religion, no book, no man or belief system has the ONLY answer.

        It is insulting to me that certain people of faith can believe that their way, what is true in their minds is the ONLY way for the human race. I am not buying it.

        Slavery in America was justified based on what you previously posted (not all inclusive). I’ll tell you this… if I was an African and was swept up from my land, my beliefs, my culture, my worldview and put on a a ship to a foreign country and made into a slave and then told to believe in a white man with long brown hair as that is the only way to salvation…

        If I was told that if I would accept my fate as a slave that this white man would give me eternal life in the here after and if I accept my fate that it would be easier for me (since I wouldn’t receive the violent whippings if I obey)…

        I hope that my kindred spirit would tell those people to go f%%k themselves.

        You can keep your God Tom.

        If there is one, I know I am close at heart to that Creator, whoever she or he is.

  188. mehgerbil says:

    I’m a hedonist.
    I keep a 20ft illuminated and rotating disco ball in my yard.
    My neighbors complain because they hate my sexy life-style.

    They might be all communists, fascists, and other sorts of freedom haters. I’m not sure, I’m too busy dancing to notice.

  189. Sam Smith says:

    Well all of this Christian Theology banter aside, if he is breaking the law he is breaking the law. Remember this is a Nation with Freedom of Religions and rights of others are paramount. A 25 foot tall lighted anything can bee seen as a nuisance so lets get off the Religious wagon and look at facts. 21st century people lets not let things from thousands of years ago dictate what we do now.

  190. Mike says:

    A Realist, what a joke, get your head out of your butt, sounds like u worship the religion of peace, beat your wife lately, killed a daughter, bowed 5 times a day, sniffing butt’s, stoned anybody to death, typical Muzlim haters, yes, thats the only thing to save your miserable self, when the horde comes, are you related to Jimmy Cartah.

  191. paul says:

    the fact is unless you know this man and what is in his heart then no one can comment if this is a religious issue or not. all i can say is the crosses look terrible and i feel it is an eyesore for the neighborhood. i hope that none of his neighbors are trying to sell their properties as they most likely will not receive any offers for their homes with this nonsence going on.

  192. Baker says:

    @The Spirit of ’76

    Congrats on having relatives at Plymouth Rock. Although your post confuses me. You claim civil liberties against insanity sweeping the land now, however if I recall correctly, “Grandpa Brewster” stole land from the Indians, killed their Nations, and even purposefully gave them disease infected blankets. That sounds like a “blatantly opressive, hostile government” to me. If you were to ask me it seems the Spirit of 1776 is alive and well with more brutal forms of punishment for others in this new age.

    1. Mike says:

      Excellent rebuttal, Mr. Baker.

  193. LTG says:

    A man has the right to do what he wants on his own property as long as it is moral and ethical. The very ideas of “moral and ethical” are Judaeo-Christian ideas as extended from the Jewish Old Testament and continued in the New Testament. Like it or not there is objective truth and your very arguments and discussions on this blog help to establish this very principal. Fortunately both “right’ and “wrong” have been defined by God Himself. Any discussion along these lines must originate from the baseline of “God Defined” morality based upon His Own Character and passed down to us through His communications to us through His Word… First the written Word, then the Living Word as God revealed Himself through His Son, Jesus Christ… Emmanuel. (God With Us)

    1. Mike says:

      Good God, LTG, put down your Jesus Juice. That made no sense regarding this matter at all.

    2. RT says:

      LOL. Well according to the local council, it ain’t ethical because he doesn’t have the right permit. As an experienced carpenter, Jesus would understand that.

  194. Ed says:

    Bet those on this council wouldn’t attempt to force a muslim to remove their religious symbol! Wanna know why? Because a muslim might behead someone. Watch and learn people

    1. Mike says:

      Ed, you are nothing more than a prejudiced ingnorant person.

      This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a structure that beams light into a neiighbor’s home.

      Idiot, you are.

  195. JAUN says:


  196. paul says:

    unless you know this man personally no one really knows what is in his heart and so we can not know if this is a religious issure or not. the crosses however are an eyesore to the neighborhood. i feel badly for any of his neighbors who might be trying to sell their properties. i know i would not make any offers if i drove by and saw that nonsence.

  197. erik says:

    @Baker, some people are confused and believe satan is god, even the united states claims in god we trust, but is it the same god? There is only One True Creator God, satan is a copycat god.

  198. thethirdruffian says:

    Creating a public nuisance and being inconsiderate to your neighbors is not Christian behavior.

  199. John Svengali says:

    If he had a giant Muslim Crescent or a 666 sign lit up, the ACLU would be fighting the town for him.

  200. Scott Bradford says:

    It ain’t rocket science.

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”


  201. Patrick says:

    These comments may be proof that there is not any intellegent design. The cross is a sybol for us to remember what Christ did for us (even those who do not believe). What is the difference in a lighted cross or a mercury light which I am sure is allowed? The ignorance of the posters is much is more glaring that the cross so pull your curtains and shut up. If there is a right to not be offended I am not aware of it.

  202. Justin says:

    If a cross in urine is considered art and protected by the 1st amendment to the Constitution then so is this. The cross in urine offended over half the country, it wasnt removed. This cross, if it is on private property, is protected speech. It is also covered under the 1st amendment by the second half of the amendment. He has the right to practice his religion. This is what he chooses to do and no government entity Federal or state or local can abridge that. And to David you need to study your Greek, Latin and Aramaic. Staturos Stake was a torture stake. Jehovah’s Witnesses wrongly believe he wasnt crucified. So do the muslims. You are wrong. Crucifixion was how Jesus was killed. Then He rose again on the third day proving He was God.

    1. RT says:

      Only if it was erected legally. And if it wasn’t, the Romans get theirs.

  203. Jason Bostonian says:

    I don’t believe in God, or Jesus, or 2,000+ year old books that dictate how I should live my life…. But I do believe in the right of this property owner to put whatever he wants on his lawn, home, or otherwise. This is America, and ordering this man to take down his crosses are a violation of his 1st Amendment rights… “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

    1. RT says:

      Uhh, no it’s not. It’s a building code violation and he needs to get right with that. Just because he was too lazy to get a permit makes him no less guilty than the speeder who didn’t pause at a Stop sign.

  204. paul says:

    i am so thankful this sort of thing could never happen in my neighborhood.

  205. rookie says:

    I’m shocked how clueless people posting seem to be. First of all, this idiot is abusing your symbol you care so much about. He’s not doing this for God. He’s trying to anger his neighbor and using the cross so people like you will defend him. He’s essentially like a criminal standing behind a child as a human shield. He’s abusing your symbol. Secondly, your rights in this nation end when they begin to infringe on the rights of another. Shining 100’s of extremely bright lights in someone elses window certainly seems to violate their privacy, pursuit of happiness, etc. You have rights, but that doesn’t mean you can blare loud music all night long for example… that voilates the rights of those around you. This guy is a perfect example of why your rights are eroding… People can’t seem to behave on their own with a nanny state standing over them telling them how to not be foolish, obnoxious, etc. If people like this didn’t exist, we’d have more rights. Its a sad day and age when grown adults act so childish.

  206. rookie says:

    I just can’t get past the fact that people think this is acceptable. They’re blinded by the fact that it is a cross, which is exactly why he used a cross to do this. How about it he was blasting slayer, from speakers on his private property, all night long? Should the neighbor then get ear plugs and shut up and mind his own business? Would he then be just practicing his art? Would it be his rights? You guys need to look past the fact that it is a cross and realize this guy is playing your religion against you.

  207. Matt C. says:

    What a crock! I am sure the real story behind this is this good ole boy only wants to provoke his neighbors. I have this type of clown living across the street from me…He puts out the big cross, talks about how Christian he is, (whatever that means), and flies a giant Confederate flag with the US flag upside down.

    This is not about “the Lord” this is about a small man trying to feel like he has a cause. If there is a god I don’t think he wants a reminder put up in some rednecks yard of how we killed his son.

  208. Adam says:

    What If the headline had been “windstorm knocks down homemade 25 ft structure with improper foundation, kills girl walkin dog. Firefighter electrocuted by wiring with improper grounding”?

    Don’t let the government take away my right to walk down the street and not get killed by some idiot’s actions!

  209. Canis Dirus says:

    Not everyone is mentally balanced.

  210. flakey says:

    umm.. how can christians be full of hate? What about muslims and their sharia law? I never seen a public whipping in the christian cirlce, however on youtube recently they were beating down a woman for wearing pants!!!

  211. Teresa Davis says:

    i understand this guy, and the lights dont look that bright,but you have to understand people dont want this because it makes them think.if this guy was Muslim everyone would bend over backwards for him, but no hes a Christian,i assume, and hes just doing what he thinks he should. but in recent news other places of crosses have been systematically taken down,now we have laws for gays and everyones on that band wagon but a simple cross and its full on war. no wonder this country is failing.

  212. swis says:

    No it’s not about the Lord. Paul didn’t use huge symbols, he taught the word of God. I’m sure this guy’s heart is in the right place but I pray that the Lord touches him with the wisdom of what God’s plan is for this guy, which is to just love Him with all his heart, mind and soul. God says to obey authority for those in authority are appointed by Him therefore when you disobey authority, you disobey the Lord. There is no takia in Christianity like islam where it is ok to lie if it brings glory to allah therefore committing disobedience for God is not His plan either. God hates all sin but loves all of his creation including you. Let those who have an ear, hear.

  213. Law says:

    Your First Amendment rights yield to reasonable time, place, and manner restrictions. This is well established Constitutional doctrine. For example:

    Muslims are free to pray 5 times a day. But Muslims are not free to pray in the middle of a busy intersection 5 times a day.

    Christians are free to build a Church. But Christians cannot build a Church on land protected by the EPA.

    Jehovah Witnesses may prostelyitize on street corners. Jehovah Witnesses may not prostelyitize on a closed-to-the-public military base.

    The question, then, is whether the bar on the display is meets the various standards for reasonableness.

    If people took the time to actually learn the law – and not speak in general platitudes intermixed with egregious use of caps lock – then this discussion would be much more productive.

    1. Conlaw student says:

      Thank you sir!

      I swear, its like no one has ever heard of Supreme Court decisions before…

  214. CynicalOptimist says:

    People can put a cross in urine and it’s defended as art. But if a man puts up crosses for his sake of “art” whether it’s for religious reasons or not, it’s called offensive and must be taken down. What’s wrong with this picture?

    1. Mike says:

      what is wrong with the picture is the one you just painted.

      You are talking about two completely different issues.

      This issue is about a public nuisance and putting up a structure without a permit and has nothing to do with the fact that the structure is a cross. It could be a letter B or Z, it is still the same issue.

  215. Mr. Carl Behr, I’m Soo Proud Of You . It’s time westand up for ” Him Jesus”. After all he open the door for us. I sick .& tired of all these nonbelievers always winning. How come , what makes them right . I believe that they are really scared of .” Him “. I remember someone saying a story about “Bishop Sheen “, a person said ,they don’t believe in hell , his answer was, you will when you get there. I stand with you Mr. Behr.
    ” In Gods Love & Peace ”
    Bride Of The Most Blessed Trinity ” Bride Jessye Conner ,, La.

  216. Jim says:

    All lighted objects are a nuisance and deemed light pollution and needs to be removed from all and any source. Street lights are a waste of tax dollars and need to be turned off. All this man needs to do is file a lawsuit.

  217. Jason says:

    This Jackwagon is merely hiding ‘Ass Hattery’ behind ‘faith’. His epiphany of faith was obiviously hidden under his truck that was parked in front of his neighbors house.

  218. Tom says:

    The lunatics are running the asylum.

  219. Jasonn says:

    In the United States, the federal government is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by clause 3 of Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and the states are prohibited from the same by clause 1 of Article I, section 10.

  220. Charles Liggett says:

    How about the REAL nuisances: high intensity strobe lighting and megawatts of lighting from high school football games and car dealerships?

  221. NCMike says:

    Stupidity has spread throughout this country like a plague. Ignorant, intolerant, and foolish folks display no shame about their hypocritical, contradictory, immaturie, not to mention imaginary, notions. And I’m not talking about the Christians.

  222. Cody Frisch says:

    deluded statists running the government overseeing deluded jeebus freaks. both sides make me sick!

  223. Leslie says:

    Get rid of the cross!! How would you holy rollers like it if there was a HUGE Jewish star lit up? What would you think if there was a giant, well lit, Muslim Crescent and Star?? Everyone would freak!! Giant crosses are obnoxious. If Jesus is your savior, then that’s fine. Religion is a personal thing, not a public thing.

  224. Steve says:

    As an atheist I find all the comments about the cross being okay because “god intended it” laughable since you, like all religious people, feel a) you r religion depicts reality, not your belief and b) that your religion is the correct one, even though there are hundreds of religions and gods. Take a step back and realize your religion is what you believe….its not what I believe or what others believe. So as much as you think a Cross is A-OK in public view, my religion would erect a giant two-story middle finger facing your house which I’m sure you’d have a problem with.

  225. Amy says:

    A case of local government out of control. This man has the right to religious freedom of expression on his own private property under our Constitution. To deny him the right by these dictators is UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Thanks to this gentleman who stands up to those who would dictate their religious preference to him. He has the courage to stand up and fight for what he believes in. These idiots should be removed from public office. One would bet that had this man put a religious display for Muslims or Jews, the dictators would have been silent. while they continue the attack on Chrisitianity.

  226. Steve says:

    Once you accept there is no god it’s OH SO MUCH easier. BTW light up the cross INSIDE your house if you’re so in love with it.

  227. No One says:

    Congrats, this article made Drudge

  228. Trouble says:

    I’ll bet the city wouldn’t care if he had a lighted flag of the US or PA.

  229. DaBear says:

    The law passed Tuesday. The cross has obviously been up longer than that. It has to “grandfathered”. Retroactive laws? I do not think they will stand up in court.
    What next? All houses must be painted blue? You have 30 days to comply. Same assinine principal.

  230. Frog Prince says:

    Baldwin Borough Manager John Barrett need to replaced by someone with brains………..

  231. Kim says:

    Keep it up because the Muslims want to take it down ! ! !

  232. OlderNewYorker says:

    We are currently building a home. At the contract signing they handed us a 42 page set of Homeowner Association rules.

    While I agree with Building Code Regulations and Zoning Law Regulations the idea that 5 of your neighbors are given this much power over your property is a bit alarming.

    42 pages of rules? What part of private property don’t people understand anymore.

    But let us all be truthful here. . If he had put up a lighted 5 foot Muslin Crescent advising “It is all about Allah” you would not have heard a word out of Baldwin Borough Manager John Barrett and his Council.

    As to this Cross? I have seen worse Christmas lighting on decorated homes.

    1. paul says:

      thanks for home association rules! there would not be this nonsense in my neighborhood!

  233. Jah says:

    I say … if they are allowed to take the crosses down. Sue them, I will contribute $5,000 towards your legal defense fund, and challenge other first amendment lovers, and Christians to contribute at least five dollars. Let’s make an example of them. That is how we stop these out of control HOAs, freedom of religion is a right … PERIOD! Acts 5:29

  234. Dennis Starr says:

    This is a man. A rarity in today’s world. I will come and stand with him anytime.

  235. Don Carlson says:

    I don’t agree with putting a large cross in a yard.

    But I do believe in the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. First Amendment:”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    14th Amendment and other parts of the Constitution make it absolutely clear that this restricts state and local governments as well.

    I don’t care to see this display, but I 100% agree with the right to have it.

  236. nellas says:

    i’m fed up with Christians not fighting back. I don’t care what you think is right or wrong or religious or political or safe or intrusive. When i stand before God, I will not that Jesus denies me. I will not deny him before men, and i will not be ashamed of the Gospel. Call on the United States Government to put me in my place, and I will call on God to put me in mine.

  237. wags says:

    Religion is the downfall of society. All religions. And for those who say Christians know more about religion than atheists or agnostics, YOU’RE WRONG: The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life did a study that found those who did not adhere to a specific religion knew more about Christianity than those who claimed to be followers.

  238. Eric-Gunther :Oberhauser says:

    I guess a satanic star of David would do no matter how bright it was or some domonic masonic symbol. I think I am ready for an Egyptian revolt.

  239. says:

    If Baldwin carries out their threat, then they will have violated more of the U.S. Constitution than just the First Amendment.

    Therefore, I hope in earnest that Baldwin backs off this now. However, if they choose to continue on this path, then so be it. I have offered to take them on, pro bono, and they would certainty have to settle this out of court.

    Baldwin shall not be allowed to further dismantle the U.S. Constitution.

    If Baldwin make the wrong decision here, even an out of court settlement will impact the residents of Baldwin in one way or another.

    A word to the wise: Baldwin residents should act now, contact their elected officials and tell them they had better not attempt to violate the Consitutional rights of another resident.

  240. nellas says:

    i will leave this thread saying, fellow Christians, we need to stop being so passive. Let’s not discuss in our own manner of conversation what is right and what is wrong, but if we hold fast to the Word of God and speak only his truth, we will then begin to see how the Light of God is the truth, and the truth will set you free. Let him speak for you, and you will never be caught in a lie, and you will never need to explain yourself

  241. Preacher's Daughter says:

    According to the story I read last night about this, the only reason the crosses were put up was to intimidate his neighbor because she complained about his business vehicles being parked in front of her house. The one cross is said to be within a few feet of her window and the light is blaring into her house. Doesn’t sound very Christian to me.

  242. PACoug says:

    If Jesus had been mowed down with a machine gun, what would this guy be displaying in his yard?

    I’m all for Jesus, but displaying a Roman instrument of torture and execution as though it represents the goodness of God is as stupid and crazy now as it was when first adopted.

    Why doesn’t the guy just display a fish and be done with it. At least the Icthus represents life rather than state-sanctioned torture and murder.

    1. ... says:

      I’m not sure you understand Christianity. For me the cross symbolizes the suffering that Jesus had to endure (as you said). HOWEVER, Jesus suffered FOR US. for every man, God sent his only son to die for our sins. It is a sign of God’s love that he would do this for us- sinners. “God demonstrates his love for us in this- while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” -Romans 5:8

      Personally I prefer a cross with Jesus actually depicted on it, because it more shows the son of God and less the “roman instrument of torture”

      I recommend that you speak with a Christian. You might find truth in the Gospel and come to be saved. What are your plans for the afterlife?

      1. Mike says:

        My plans for the after life is this…

        that my body decays and becomes one with nature.

  243. Jonhda says:

    Clearly this is all obama’s fault.

    1. Muslims are better than you says:

      praise allah to that

  244. Red says:

    What has always amazed me is when unbelievers state, “the bible was written by men…” as if you are teaching the believers some new fact that they have so clumsily overlooked. We as believers know that the bible was written by men. We just believe that the bible IS the inspired Word of God (written by men). I’m surprised the unbelievers do not know this simple fact.

  245. picomanning says:

    Yeah yeah yeah. He just has to get a permit. Right. And pastors need a permit. to discuss politics in church; and the Ten Commandments can’t be hung in a courthouse without a permit. We are a free nation and a basic freedom is our freedom of religion, but we just need a few permits. Fishing, building, hunting, smoking, drinking, thinking, speaking. Yeah we’re free.

  246. sorrythatitslong. says:

    I think we all need to be smart here. dont post a comment if you’re an uneducated close-minded God hater. I agree- COMPROMISE! And only the protestants took books out of the Bible. The Catholics, who comprised the Bible in the first place, left those books in. They are called the Apocrypha in protestant circles. I have to say though, the woman in the video did not seem very bright… haha saying “The end” at the end of her little spiel? The man does not seem very intelligent either. Just saying. I don’t think we can use this as a example for all Christians and their dealings with non-believers. Obviously these are not logical thinkers we have here. And both Christians and Atheists are logical in their own ways. It’s the people that get carried away with feelings that are bad examples of the reasonable decision to be on either side is. Stop and think for once! Be smart, and compromise. In this case it is not lessening your faith AT ALL to take down a huge cross. Go out and preach to the world if all your cross is good for is annoying your neighbors. And you, lady, don’t be so biased against Christians. Some of them are smart!

  247. Jeff says:

    I am sure a Muslim would get away with any lit religious symbol.

  248. IHS says:

    I have read every comment made from this story (that really took some time). And since I am commenting too, I am included in this statement…

    We are all little creatures, with little minds, that ponder little things, perform little acts, and make little comments.

    Everything I have read here above is about me, me me … self importance, arrogance, narrow-mindedness, poor education, non-physical blindness, arrogant stupidity, and yes the list goes on and on.

    Who’s right, who’s wrong… does it matter?! The only thing that I see going on here is BRAINLESS YACKING… Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, this is the United States of America; but that doesn’t mean we have to be an idiot as we express our opinion.

    A wise old man told me something a long time ago (yes I’m old too). Words of wisdom I have never forgotten…

    Truth is not what YOU THINK it is, truth is not what YOU WANT it to be, the truth is what is revealed to you when you truly seek it.

    Believe in God? – Great, good for you!
    Don’t believe in God? – Fine, it’s your free choice!

    The telling tale of being correct here, will never be solved here. Nor in this life.

    When we die, the truth will be revealed. Not what you believe it will be, or believe it should be or what you expect it to be. But the truth as it is.

    If I believe in God and I’m wrong… I’ve wasted 80 years of living on earth

    If you don’t believe in God and you’re wrong… You’ll waste & regret for an eternity

    We have a choice! We either base our decision on Faith, or we base it on Arrogance. One will win big time, the other will lose big time.

    For those who don’t believe… are you so certain that you are 100% right in your belief, that you are willing to throw eternity away… if in fact you are wrong!

    So you don’t believe in God, but when you die, you find out that there IS one… just remember… the Hell that you didn’t believe in, is the Hell that you will burn in for all eternity. Agony never ending, is not a pretty thought, in my book!

    Just because you stand by your conviction, doesn’t mean you are right!

    If I may humbly offer my opinion to everyone, for your consideration…

    To KNOW GOD is to KNOW LIFE.
    To NO GOD is to NO LIFE.

    We all MUST choose… so choose wisely… your eternal life depends on it!

    And may the truth of the living God (that I KNOW exists), be revealed to you.

    1. Mike says:

      @ IHS,

      “If you don’t believe in God and you’re wrong… You’ll waste & regret for an eternity”

      That is an assumption on your part. Which God are you talking about any way? There are many Gods that humans believe in…. oh wait, you believe that your religion, your God is the ONLY God…

      don’t worry, I am sure that I haven’t wasted my life on this earth nor am I worried one bit about what is to come after death.

  249. Joe says:

    He should take off the light bulbs and just light the entire thing on fire. That’ll show em!

  250. mike klitz says:

    Burn it down

  251. Julei says:

    I hope Mr Behr contacts the great people at the Thomas More Law Center and American Center for Law and Justice. They will gladly take your case to court for you as they love to challenge atheists and anyone who wants to stop any citizens rights as Christians. No doubt if Mr Behr put up a lighted crescent moon and star nothing would be said about it. STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPALS AND BELIEFS MR. BEHR!

  252. Julie says:

    Mr Behr and anyone else who are losing their rights as Christians please contact the Thomas More Law Center and the American Center for Law and Jsutice. They will both help you in your fight for your rights and beliefs.

  253. paul says:

    so many haters here!

  254. Hammer & Nails says:

    CARL BEHR – I am on your side and will be sending you $$$$ to pay for the bill of this beautiful cross!

    All you Atheists & Muslim pukes….I will pray for your rotten soul!

    1. paul says:

      beautiful? they look so tacky! i feel badly for any of his neighbors who might be trying to sell their properties!

  255. me3tv says:

    This is about pride. It is about boasting of one’s more profound vision. It is about personal vanity. It is not about “serving Jesus Christ”.

    1. Paul Horner says:

      not about pride. boastfulness should not be confused with pride. this is about being the bigger person and doing the right thing. one should never make a spectacle of ones self in the name of pride. the crosses are a spectacle.

  256. James says:

    The Bible plainly states that one day every knee shall bow before the Lord. I would be careful about mocking God!

    1. Mike says:

      When you say be careful about mocking God, the problem with what you say is this… I am going to mock your god. I couldn’t care less because your god is not God. So, I am not mocking the God. Get it?

  257. AL says:

    I bet if a Native American tribute, or a Muslim, or Budhist, or Pagan tribute were built and lit up, people would be screaming and racing for their chain saws. America was not built on Christian principles. It was stolen from the Native Americans and Christianity was forced on the new country’s residents through fear and intimidation. That is the way it’s always been, but most are too afraid to admit it….or to brainwashed. With that said, a majority of Christians do not try to cram their religion down the throats of their neighbors…it’s only the kooks.

    1. Mike says:

      Nice words, AL. 🙂

  258. Paul Rodino says:

    Tal Abrams, True faith is not blind. The Greek word for “faith” in the New Testament is pistis. The term was also invoked by Aristotle and connotes forensic proof. Forensic proof is evidentiary, not blind. Likewise, many of the Apostles made evidentiary appeals for the faith. For instance, in Acts 2:22-36, Peter makes three evidentiary citations in defense of the faith. He cites Jesus’ “miracles and wonders and signs.” He cites the empty tomb. Lastly, he cites the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Thus, Peter’s apologia was premised upon evidence or, as the term pistis connotes, proofs. From “The Faustian Face of Modern Science”, Phillip Collins. Love, Paul
    PS We preach Christ Crucified!

  259. Andy says:

    I say put brighter bulbs in the cross. Show the world that you can stand up for what you believe in. If this man was practicing Judaism or a practicing Muslim the town wouldn’t dare ask him to take something down.
    Apply for a permit and tell how we can donate to you to pay the saily fines until the permit goes through.

  260. Bob says:

    First, you’ve got to understand what this guy is about. He’s a local contractor who parks his construction vehicles in front of neighbors homes in violation of local parking ordinances.
    When his next door neighbor complained to the Boro, he retaliated by erecting this cross complete with lights that shine into her bedroom all night long.
    He’s just a sad, mean little man.

    1. Mike says:

      @ Bob,

      It is no use… religious zealotes replying here are blinded by their own righteous and delusional minds.

  261. Mega Bucks says:

    “Ironically, it passed Tuesday night.”

    That’s not irony!

  262. Mike says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Since this is the law of the land i think the town is over stepping

    Fight the good fight

    1. Mike says:

      It has nothing to do about fighting and good fight, but not to be a nuisance to one’s neighbor.

  263. bob d says:

    good for him. remember, the more you attach Christianity, the more there will be a prayer rug in your future.

  264. Nolff says:

    It’s a roman torture device used to kill people.

  265. Stephanie says:

    Mr Behr

    Your cross rocks! It is a beacon of hope for believers & those who have yet come to Christ.

    I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes Romans 1:16

    1. Mike says:

      Being ashamed or not ashamed of a gospel has nothing to do with what this jerk is doing, Stephanie… and it is too bad that you and many others cannot understand that fact.

      This guy is a nuisance towards his neighbor, but I guess you and others will just go on touting the Bible and waving Jesus banners while forgetting the basis of your own faith – loving both God and neighbor.

      And Carl is most certainly not showing any love towards neither.

  266. Jake says:

    Mr. Behr should be careful. The town may convict him of being a Christian.

    1. Mike says:

      Poor Jake,

      It is ridiculous statements like that which only goes to show the ignorance of you and others of your ilk.

      I am certain that the town is made up of a majority of those of the Christian faith.

  267. FloridaBob says:

    This is not about god or relgion at all it is about a religios fanatic who thiks he is above his city’s laws. If you wish to erect a structure over a certain size you need a permit, and if you light it up you need to abide by the lighting ordenances of your city. So regardles of the fact it is a cross, a flagpole or any other structure in his garden….so Mr. Behr kindly get your rear end to the city hall, request a permit and abide by your city’s laws. If you don’t then be preprared to pay the fines or listen for the city workers with chainsaws coming to tear it down!

  268. chloe says:

    good for him. i’m tired of these islamic leaning members of towns, homeowners associations and congress/obama trying to take over what we think, what we eat and where we live and drive. vote them all out.

    1. Mike says:


      Yeah right… when was the last time town members told you what to think and eat? When did they tell you where to live and drive? Never. You are an idiot if you think so.

  269. Pat M says:

    Religion and faith – any religion – really ought be kept personal – like underwear -you know its on you (or not), but you don’t have to show everybody – just your family.

  270. Wesley says:

    Please read I John 5:7…”There are three that bear record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Spirit, and these three are one” There you have it….a triune God.

    1. Mike says:


      That passage, which includes [b]”… and these three are one.”[/b] Has long been found out to be a fraud even by Chrisians and now is an embarassment to Christianity that they have distanced themselves from that part of the scripture.

      It has long been proven that certain monks long after the Bible was written added the infamous, [b]”… and these three are one”[/b] because they were trying to prove the trinity theory and couldn’t.

      You need to do your homework better than that.

      Come back when you have something better.

  271. Greg says:

    I am honestly amazaed that people actually think this is about religion. The two neighbors had an argument in the weeks prior to the cross being erected. He put the lighted cross up for spite.

    Come on seriously people he just using the cross as an excuse to annoy the heck out of the neighbor. Wake up

    Surprised someone hasnt cut the cord on that thing yet

  272. Rico says:

    I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t, than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.

    1. Mike says:

      Good for you. I’ll live my life the way I want to live it and not worry about death as it is an ending to life any way.

  273. Other Con Law Student... says:

    This is totally fine that the Baldwin Borough is doing this. It’s not viewpoint discrimination at all. The Borough is merely creating reasonable regulations outside of any viewpoint or content discrimination which is totally OK… My favorite comment out of the bunch is someone arguing that an amendment is unconstitutional…. HA.

  274. Mepet says:

    Leave it up! God bless you!

    1. Mike says:

      You must not have heard that Carl has dismantled his monstrosity of a structure.

      I’m sure his neighbor is now happy.

  275. BuddySergeant says:

    Lights to bright. I would have not turn-ed them on this wan not about religion, but to express his rights of freedom. He was to god to remove the cross. At least he did not harm anyone. I advise him to put candles in his windows and chase the devel away. Love and affecting for all concerned.

  276. bigpagan says:

    first off, thanks to mike for moderating this discussion!

    now to the baldwin “neighbor” why don’t you just take the cross and bash your neighbors over the head with it? that;s what you’re after …

    ever heard of treat your neighbors as you would be treated. ?an eyesore is an eyesore, be it a religious symbol or not.

    me. i’m gonna put up a 30! foot pentagram and shine it in MY neighbors house, it’s my constitutional right!~

  277. biggerpagan says:

    let’s do the test….
    doesn’t care about the rights of others….check
    thinks his religion is the only real religion….check

    yep, he’s a real christian!

    1. Mike says:

      Amen to that, biggerpagan, amen!

  278. delvislettuce says:

    Mike is SATAN

  279. Chippy55 says:

    Once again the Liberal media is intentionally lying about this whole episode, insinuating that the man is a religious nut, and he is playing right into their hands.
    The reason that the individual erected the cross is because he had a dispute with a neighbor, because he was running a business out of his home, necessitating earth moving equipment be parked in his driveway, and I believe that a building inspector was called, because it’s against local zoning laws.
    It’s as simple as that folks, but the Liberal media has nothing better to do than to show this same story night after night, trying to change the viewers minds of the people of Pittsburgh, because CBS condones Letterman making rape jokes, Charlie Sheen brings in $400 million with his dopey show, and so CBS will allow him all the crack, and porn stars that he can pay for. No comment from his mother on his shenanigans.
    New on CBS this fall! 2 1/2 Pieces of Crack! Followed by 2 1/2 Porn Stars! Stay tuned, Katie Couric tweets her predictions 2 1/2 days in advance!
    I repeat: it’s a neighbors dispute over a zoning issue in a residential neighborhood.
    And one more thing; Ever notice how the local news will always sensationalize events by telling “what almost happened?” Pathetic. .

    1. Mike says:

      Idiotice reply, chippy.

      The media isn’t playing but the cards dealt by Carl.

      Carl does indeed appear to be a religious nut, but was enthralled by his experience with his neighbor and let that get the best of him.

  280. mike klitz says:

    Middle finger to everyone that posted comments on this story. Get a life

  281. Truth says:

    Matthew 10:33 ESV
    But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

    1. Mike says:

      Save it for your religious loonies. Wait, let me ask you this… Carl isn’t denying the real Jesus or the fake Jesus made up in his lunatic brain?

      How many people have killed other people in the name of Jesus is too many to count.

  282. simpleman says:

    You know what? Shut the hell up. Nobody cares what you say. If people want to believe then it is up to them. Who the hell are you to say there is or there isnt a God. I guess you have already died and found out the truth huh. Give me a break. You are just another one of the ones who knows all and everyone else is wrong. Well good luck to you. Maybe you will find out soon enough anfd God help you if you are wrong.

    1. Mike says:

      Up yours, simpleton.

      I didn’t say there was or wasn’t a God. And, having already died means nothing. If people believed we all become elephants upon death, then I guess we will see when we die. LOL

      I do know this, any one religion claiming to be the only religion that is the truth is pure folly.

      1. Simpleman says:

        Im surely not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You are entitled to your WRONG opinion. and yes I said WRONG opinion. Im mean thats all you have been doing to everyone here who has anything to say about God telling them they are delusional and what not. You are just a closet nazi with nothing better to do than argue with people behind the safety of your keyboard. Well I surely wont argue with deaf ear. Im finished with you. CASE CLOSED!

      2. Mike says:

        Okay holy Judge Wapner, case closed.

        Go tell it to yous and Carl’s Jesus. LOL

      3. Simpleman says:

        Wow! Thats it? Ok then. Well I talked to Jesus and he wanted me to tell you that your daddy Hitler is waiting for you to come home. Have a great day. LOL

      4. Mike says:


        You can’t even keep your word when you proclaim, “case closed.”

        I guess you didn’t really mean that or your words are like the words of your faith.

      5. Simpleman says:

        Wow are you an idiot. I really thought it would be fun to make fun of a stupid person for a little while antway, but now I realize that you have a split personality. I really would not know which one of you I’m making fun of. I mean here you are saying God is made up by humans and people are loony for believing and then you comment to someone named 123shine who talks about Jesus and what they think he would do and you are saying amen to that. Well which is it hellboy. Or are you just that mentally challenged that you really cant remember what you actually said. They always say, crazy people dont know they are crazy. UP THE DOSE OF MEDS. GET OFF MOMS COMPUTER AND GET A JOB. Enough said hellboy.

      6. Mike says:

        “Wow are you an idiot. I really thought it would be fun to make fun of a stupid person for a little while antway”

        What is “antway?” Is that like the way to salvation for ants are you a member of their way? LOL

        ” but now I realize that you have a split personality. I really would not know which one of you I’m making fun of.”

        Preposition ending sentences are always fun. Determining a “split personality” through a blog is an incredible feat. You should be the next moronic Dr. Phil, idiot.

        ” I mean here you are saying God is made up by humans and people are loony for believing”

        Yes, the human god is made up by humans, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that simple ideology.

        ” and then you comment to someone named 123shine who talks about Jesus and what they think he would do and you are saying amen to that.”

        Yes, amen, meaning that I agree with the point 123 was making. You do know that amen can mean that one approves or agrees with another, don’t you? I’ll answer, obviously by your most recent childlike reply, you do not.

        ” Well which is it hellboy.”

        Here we go again… exactly which hell do you mean? Oh wait, you don’t know the differences between the translations.

        “Or are you just that mentally challenged that you really cant remember what you actually said.”

        The only person mentally challenged were your parents. Why? Because they created an ignoramus such as yourself. LOL

        ” They always say, crazy people dont know they are crazy.”

        So, are you crazy?

        “UP THE DOSE OF MEDS.”

        I don’t do drugs, not even aspirin.


        Who is “MOMS?” Is that an acronym?

        ” Enough said hellboy.””

        You keep saying things like “cased closed” and now “enough said” but you keep coming back to be schooled yet some more.

  283. 123shine says:

    @Baker – apparently you have never read the Bible. As for the guy who wants to display the cross, he should ask himself what Jesus would do in this situation… I think he might suggest that the Mr. Behr love his neighbor as himself. That gesture would show the love of Christ more than a lighted cross.

    1. Mike says:

      Amen to that, 123.

  284. Simpleman says:

    @incestmike. Hahaha. I knew you would come back with something stupid. You’ve never remarked about the whole working comment lazy ass. It just goes to show your level of education. Check out career builders and stop being a drain on the economy. And for your sake, stop sucking off your daddy. Ahh. Gotta go. Your mommy is here to get her spanking. Lol. She sure is ugly.

    1. Mike says:

      boring… unoriginal… lame… you. LOL

      Go to your fatty wife now… she may finally let you have some with your needle ween. ha ha!

  285. Simpleman says:

    @incestmike. By the way It is spelled symbol. Not simblo. There you are thinking about blowing. Also it is spelled comment. Not coment and what is presen. Hmmmmm. Well cyberworld, I PRESENT stupid INCEST MIKE!! Idiot alert!

    1. Mike says:

      I love christians like you. Even though I don’t need any reassurances, it is christians like you who put the “icing on the cake” in knowing that what you believe is nothing but pure fantasy.

  286. Simpleman says:

    @incestmike. Awwwwww don’t get mad because you are a dummy. Bye bye mikey. Love to your mother.

    1. Mike says:

      No sweat, simpleton. And for the record, your mother is providing love to my knob as we speak. She said she wouldn’t for you or your father, but she likes mine.

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